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Tenodera angustipennis L2
 
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Tenodera angustipennis L2



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Tenodera angustipennis

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Your babies are cuties! However, they don't look like S. carolina nymphs. They are mysterious.

Where did you get them? Do you have a photo of the ootheca?

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Your babies are cuties! However, they don't look like S. carolina nymphs. They are mysterious.

Where did you get them? Do you have a photo of the ootheca?

I got them from eBay. Hand-picked from the wild. Labeled Stagmomantis carolina. I do have a photo of the oothecae, let me find it. It is very similar in appearance to Stagmomantis Carolinas': http://alexandersmantids.deviantart.com/art/Stagmomantis-carolina-oothecae-351808562?q=boost%3Apopular%20((oothecae)%20AND%20(by%3Aalexandersmantids))&qo=3

Do you think it's a Tenodera sinensis? Others have asked me if they were, too. I even wondered myself, today, because at L4, they're quite long. But the different in appearance of the oothecae is very different. Plus these nymphs are different in color.

Tenodera sinensis ootheca (one I also hatched): http://alexandersmantids.deviantart.com/art/Tenodera-Sinensis-Ootheca-Hatching-331423146?q=gallery%3Aalexandersmantids%2F39976822&qo=173

T. sinensis at L2: http://alexandersmantids.deviantart.com/art/Tenodera-Sinensis-L2-Female-332762460?q=gallery%3Aalexandersmantids%2F39976822&qo=166

And I don't think it was lack of fertility, since the smaller oothecae hatched hundreds of nymphs and the larger, the Tenodera sinensis ootheca, hatched only 16, yet was larger none-the-less.

What do you think? Have you ever owned Stagmomantis Carolina nymphs?

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Stagmomantis carolina were my first mantis and I still breed them.

I wouldn't have posted anything except that your nymphs have a stripe through the eyes and don't hold their abdomens lifted like Carolinas do.

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Those oothecae look a little large for S. carolinas as well. Did you save the oothecae? A clearer photo of them can make it easier. Maybe Tenodera angustipennis? Definitely not Tenodera aridifolia sinensis ooths, that can be ruled out.

Carolina nymphs at the first instar are brown bodied with green legs and brown bands on the knee area. The male nymphs keep the coloring for a while, many males will become adult and keep the banded leg look. The female's abdomen will start to widen after the first couple of molts, they will be the shape of your first Stagmomantis sp. Was it Majesty?

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Those oothecae look a little large for S. carolinas as well. Did you save the oothecae? A clearer photo of them can make it easier. Maybe Tenodera angustipennis? Definitely not Tenodera aridifolia sinensis ooths, that can be ruled out.

Carolina nymphs at the first instar are brown bodied with green legs and brown bands on the knee area. The male nymphs keep the coloring for a while, many males will become adult and keep the banded leg look. The female's abdomen will start to widen after the first couple of molts, they will be the shape of your first Stagmomantis sp. Was it Majesty?

Yeah, here's a photo I just took of one of the oothecae I saved: http://alexandersmantids.deviantart.com/art/Stagmomantis-carolina-or-Tenodera-angustipennis-364216554?ga_submit_new=10%253A1365388607

So what do you think, Tenodera angustipennis or Stagmomantis Carolina?

I agree that they do have the same shape as the Tenodera sinensis I had, and are also quite big for their stage. Their abdomens mostly look like sticks, not really like Majesty's. Yeah Majesty was a Stagmomantis limbata.

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Those oothecae look a little large for S. carolinas as well. Did you save the oothecae? A clearer photo of them can make it easier. Maybe Tenodera angustipennis? Definitely not Tenodera aridifolia sinensis ooths, that can be ruled out.

Carolina nymphs at the first instar are brown bodied with green legs and brown bands on the knee area. The male nymphs keep the coloring for a while, many males will become adult and keep the banded leg look. The female's abdomen will start to widen after the first couple of molts, they will be the shape of your first Stagmomantis sp. Was it Majesty?

The oothecae of the Tenodera angustipennis looks like the ootheca I have, according to google images. Also the adults have the same colors as the nymphs, green, brown, and green/brown. None have dots on their knees like the Stagmomantis Carolina nymphs, like you mentioned. I seen photos of each nymph and I'd say they really probably are Tenodera angustipennis. Thanks for that, man!

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I'd say that we made an educated guess together. I hope we are right?

If we are, you and the people you sold to, may have some of the only ones in culture. I don't see too many posts or photos of that species on the forum anymore. I wonder why more people don't keep them? ;)

Carolinas can have an oothecae that size if it is HUGE, but it just looks different.

The nymphs are definitely not Carolinas. They don't even look Stagmomantis, but I have only raised the S. carolina. Start looking for an orange marking in between the forelegs, on the chest of the nymphs(just like the yellow mark on a Chinese). That will be what to look for in a Narrow wing mantis. I just don't know how old they will be when the mark turns up.

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I'd say that we made an educated guess together. I hope we are right?

If we are, you and the people you sold to, may have some of the only ones in culture. I don't see too many posts or photos of that species on the forum anymore. I wonder why more people don't keep them? ;)

Carolinas can have an oothecae that size if it is HUGE, but it just looks different.

The nymphs are definitely not Carolinas. They don't even look Stagmomantis, but I have only raised the S. carolina. Start looking for an orange marking in between the forelegs, on the chest of the nymphs(just like the yellow mark on a Chinese). That will be what to look for in a Narrow wing mantis. I just don't know how old they will be when the mark turns up.

I think you're definitely right that they're not the Stagmomantis Carolina and are indeed Tenodera angustipennis. I found a photo of a Stagmomantis Carolina nymph, and it looks nothing like the ones I have - the bands you mentioned let me in on that. I've looked up photos of S. Carolina nymphs, before, but photos of the Tenodera sinensis showed up, and I thought they were just similar in appearance. If you hadn't let me know I wouldn't have realized they weren't S. Carolinas until they were older. It's good to know, now, so I can imagine what the species will look like when older.

I was told from the one who sold them to me that they belonged to a Stagmomantis Carolina - cool mistake, if they're not as common.

Yeah, it looks different to me, too.

Yeah, I'm pretty positive, now, that they're Tenodera angustipennis. I've hatched Tenodera sinensis and they look exactly alike, aside from the coloring. I think it's because I've never had nymphs that were green (only 16 hatched in the first place and most died at a young stage). One of the Tenodera angustipennis I have, now, the one I'm keeping, Gor-Tok, has green and brown in patches, it's AWESOME.

I think they start getting their colors around L5 - L6, so I'll check for the spot, see if it's orange or yellow. Pretty positive it's going to be orange, according to how small the ootheca was - way too small to belong to a Tenodera sinensis.

I don't know if you know the answer to this, but which grows bigger, the Tenodera sinensis or the Tenodera angustipennis? I read that the angustipennis is smaller but someone told me that they're actually bigger.

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SO PRETTY! You always take great photographs!

They are beautiful creatures, love the colors mine are getting, and thanks!

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