Identification Malaysia february 2012

[melano]

Hi everebody,

I am in Malaysia since few weeks with Bartek...

We find this on our noodle soup yesterday...

Probably a Odontomantis or a Hierodula or it's just a stick insect

 

[bauapaul]

Seems to be a Toxodera spec.

Do u have a pic of the whole?

 

[melano]

I crunched this one eating my soup and we release the 2 other ones

 

[Bartek]

They are so tasty

We have a lot of problems with identification them... I m sure they must be Odontomantis...

 

[mmmantis]

Could be heterochaeta sp but not sure without a full body pic

 

[melano]

there is heterochaeta in Malaysia ?

 

[gripen]

it is a male toxodera.

 

[tier]

Hi

As we cannot see if the Pronotum is bended or not, as a consequence we cannot say if this is a Toxodera or a Paratoxtodera. Plus, there might be other genera of Toxoderidae in Malaysia, thus all we can say looking at this picture is that this is a member of the Toxoderidae.

regards

 

[hibiscusmile]

Hi Tier, missed you, sorry for stealing post!

 

[warpdrive]

nice photo regardless.

Harry

 

[melano]

Let's be more serious now

We need help for identification and sexing... Help will be really appreciate

If you need some specific pictures of any part of the body please tell us...

For Chrisp... I've had 7 times a heart attack... You know what it means ?

more pictures soon...

 

[frogparty]

OH......MY.....GOOOOOOOODDDDDD!!!!

I want one.

 

[Mvalenz]

All I know is those mantids look sooo cool! Please try to bring some to U.S. and bread.

 

[Bartek]

We trying but firstly we need some help... some one could tell us that they are males or females? In my mind they are both males...

 

[melano]

For now I'll call them species 1,2,3... and specimen A,B,C...

on my second post...

the first image with the meter (centimeters) will be the species 1 specimen A (S1-A)

the second image below will be the species 2 specimen A (S2-A)

now for the photos below... Species 3 specimen A (S3-A)

now for the photos below... Species 4 specimen A (S4-A)

now S1-B

now S1-B (left) and S1-A (right)

now S3-A (up left), S4-A (up right) and S1-B (down)

please don't hesitate to ask for specific picture of their body

For us they are all males but without any certitude and we think there is 4 species without any certitude

 

[tier]

Hi

So you have both: Toxodera and Paratoxodera. If they came (flying) to a light (-trap) in the night, these will be males. That's why light traps are only usefull to get an impression of the species living in a habitat (because males will be fine enough for this purpose). On the other hand, in general, light traps in the night are useless to receive some females. That's why light traps are interesting for research, but completely useless for people who wanna breed them and produce some babies. However, all are adult and if some of these will lay ooth, you'll know you have some females.

regards

 

[melano]

Hi Tier,

Thank you for your answer

We don't catch them... It was brought to us by villagers. I just sure than one at least (S3-A) was catches during the day. I don't know if they used some light trap...

Do you know exact name of each species ?

Cheers

 

[tier]

Hi

You are welcome.

Ohh, that is very good. So some might be females. You just have to count the segments on the ventral side of the abdomen - just like with all other mantid species. Or you can post pictures of the end of the abdomens (ventral).

Sorry, I cannot identify the species. But the ones with a bended pronotum should be Toxodera, the ones with a streight pronotom should be Paratoxodera.

http://tolweb.org/Paratoxodera/12927

http://tolweb.org/Toxodera/12928

But I am not even 100% sure that all your mantids belong to the two mentioned genera, as there might be other Toxoderidae in Malaysia.

http://tolweb.org/Toxoderidae/12759

By the way: If you are planning a google picture search with the species names for further identification, just directly forget it! Almost 100% of the pictures in Google are missidentified and labeled with wrong names!

Best luck!

 

[melano]

I have to take pictures of their abdomen but they are moving a lot when you manipulate them...

I tried already google... for toxodera and paratoxodera... it's a mess... I find several name for the same species lol

thank you anyway for your help