Sexing Orchids

Hello all!

These are my first mantids and my orchid babies are getting close to adulthood. I bought as L2 - L3. I'm not sure where each were when I purchased but I believe the one on my hand to be L6 Male (are those wing buds?) and the one on the black computer monitor to be L5 Male. Can anyone confirm the sexing? What is the L for subadult male and female orchids respectively?

I want to breed some eventually. Was hoping a female that would time well with some L2/L3s I have growing. Think I struck out here. 

both males

Thank you! Better luck on the next ones I hope. Their tiny abdomens are so hard to see without a macro lens.

I'm seeing a male and a female but I could be wrong.

- MantisGirl13

Male and female.

Send pix on their next moult

it may be more clear then

both males

they both have a red ‘necklace’ and none have the horns the female have

As others have said they are definitely both males as they are small for sub adult and lack the green necklace of females.