happy1892
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Hierodula bipapilla is a synonym of Hierodula patellifera?
http://mantodea.speciesfile.org/Common/basic/Taxa.aspx?TaxonNameID=3580
http://mantodea.speciesfile.org/Common/basic/Taxa.aspx?TaxonNameID=3580
Hierodula bipapilla is a synonym of Hierodula patellifera
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they look identical! i have L1/2 nymphs
Mime454
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Does that mean that they are the same species and able to interbreed, or that they are just similar?
happy1892
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It means those two names mean the same thing. It means that they were called that but they changed the name and now they are called Hierodula patellifera.
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happy1892
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How about keep a few pure so we (I mean somebody else) will see if inbreeding kills them?
SilentDeviL
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In Taiwan we call it Hierodula bipapilla not sure if they are the same. but I did Google it they do look very a like . But is so hard to say ... all Hierodula species look very close ... other then Gaint asian longer and slimmer ...
happy1892
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Okay. Do some people call a mantis in Taiwan Hierodula patellifera? On mantodea.speciesfile.org says that the name was changed to Hierodula patellifera and that it used to be Hierodula bipapilla and H. dispar and H. manillana and H. manillensis, H. raptoria. So it seems like it was called many names. It seems like the name Hierodula bipapilla stuck. Here look at all of this. Weird that there are no subspecies listed... so I guess there are no subspecies of H. patellifera.
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GhostYeahX
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they are two sp.
Hierodula bipapilla in China we call Shuang Tu Futang（futang means hierodula), (shuang tu means doble dots)
Hierodula patellifera is Guang Futang
Hierodula bipapilla only has 2 yellow dots on each front arm while patellifera has 3
sorry I cant use professional name cuz my english sucks
Hierodula bipapilla in China we call Shuang Tu Futang（futang means hierodula), (shuang tu means doble dots)
Hierodula patellifera is Guang Futang
Hierodula bipapilla only has 2 yellow dots on each front arm while patellifera has 3
sorry I cant use professional name cuz my english sucks
Explains bipapilla rather than tripapilla or patellifera
happy1892
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Interesting. I kind of doubt that the Shuang Tu Futang is Hierodula bipapilla. Are the Shuang Tu Futang said to be Hierodula bipapilla on many websites (I mean internet)?
happy1892
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I think the Shuang Tu Futang are not Hierodula patellifera and are another species but maybe they are a subspecies of of Hierodula patellifera and are different from the ones we know of. I think that because on Mantodea.speciesfile.org Hierodula bipapilla is listed as a synonym of Hierodula patellifera.
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happy1892
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happy1892
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This says two white coxal spines on each of the front legs is a way to identify H. patellifera. They might just be talking about telling the difference between three HIerodula species in Singapore.
http://rmbr.nus.edu.sg/nis/bulletin2009/2009nis55-61.pdf
But the ones in Japan have three dots on each leg.
http://www.insects.jp/kon-kamaharabiro.htm
http://rmbr.nus.edu.sg/nis/bulletin2009/2009nis55-61.pdf
But the ones in Japan have three dots on each leg.
http://www.insects.jp/kon-kamaharabiro.htm
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happy1892
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http://zsi.gov.in/checklist/mantodea.pdf
"Change of Placements of species after 1995"
"10. Hierodula (Hierodula) bipapilla (Audinet-Serville, 1839): Synonymised with Hierodula
patellifera patellifera (Audinet-Serville, 1839)
11. Hierodula (Hierodula) saussurei Kirby, 1904: Synonymised with Hierodula patellifera
patellifera (Audinet-Serville, 1839)"
"Change of Placements of species after 1995"
"10. Hierodula (Hierodula) bipapilla (Audinet-Serville, 1839): Synonymised with Hierodula
patellifera patellifera (Audinet-Serville, 1839)
11. Hierodula (Hierodula) saussurei Kirby, 1904: Synonymised with Hierodula patellifera
patellifera (Audinet-Serville, 1839)"
