Cilnia; Lost a leg!!!

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A few days ago, I noticed that Jemima, my sub-adult Cilnia Humeralis, had a dark spot on one of her legs, and today, I noticed that her leg has fallen off!!!

I have been concerned about her lately, as she refuses to eat, and is quite sluggish, so I was waiting to see if she was going to molt. She has not. She's just losing limbs. :(

Any opinions on the matter would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks,

Lauren

San Francisco

 
Well that is bad news, not sure what it could be? Are there any more spots on her leg or body, and have any crickets been left in with her lately?

 
No. I haven't left her with any crickets, because she wouldn't eat them. There are some worms with her, but she won't touch them either. Looks like it might be curtains for Jemima??? :(

 
Double :( , I feel bad for you, but maybe there's still hope. Don't think your a bad mom over it mantis just don't make it sometimes, trust me I've lost more than a few and some were and are just a mystery?

 
If the pic is recent....she doesn't look that bad. I went through this with an L6 Euro last year. Out of the blue all she would eat was flies and moths, could careless about crickets or hoppers. I'd love to see a pic of her from the opposing angle to see how far along her wingbuds are. If she was eating at a steady clip, then ate a bunch and all of the sudden stopped, then chewed off her leg......I would think she is getting ready to molt. If that's the case, make sure she has a good place to molt and her housing is very humid.

Anyway of getting a picture of her wing buds?

 
If the pic is recent....she doesn't look that bad. I went through this with an L6 Euro last year. Out of the blue all she would eat was flies and moths, could careless about crickets or hoppers. I'd love to see a pic of her from the opposing angle to see how far along her wingbuds are. If she was eating at a steady clip, then ate a bunch and all of the sudden stopped, then chewed off her leg......I would think she is getting ready to molt. If that's the case, make sure she has a good place to molt and her housing is very humid.

Anyway of getting a picture of her wing buds?
Thanks so much for the info, idahomantid!!

I have actually dug around the web for a bit more info and, in the below research paper, learned that "these legs regenerate if broken or lost, but only during the molting process, but unfortunately limbs that regenerate are often smaller than the others". She's an L6, and has yet to molt since I've had her, so possibly there is hope for Jemima, yet.

Unfortunately, her not eating at all has become worrisome. How many days, prior to molting, are they expected to cease eating? It's been about a week since she will take any proper food, though I have fed her tiny bits of mashed banana and honey as a treat (and to make sure she eats something! I have put worms and crickets right up in her face, as well as in front of her, and she has no interest. I do not have access to flying insects at all, and fear that may be what she was raised on and is used to.

Not sure if photo one is helpful of her wingbuds. Photo 2 in interesting, in that you can see they black spot is not where her leg broke off. I wonder why.

jem-leg1.jpg

Thanks again!

Lauren

Article quoted above: http://www.dreamessa...ience/11699.htm

 
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Unfortunately I would need a picture of her back to see her wingbuds. She chewed her leg off above where it was damaged, could of been a issue with the last molt, could of been the result of a cricket bite...hard to say.

My Euros, which are very similar to Chinese stop eating for about a week before molting. One issue that many Mantid owners confront is applying mammal pet care techniques to insects. Bugs are a little goofy, so if they decide to chew their leg off or don't eat for a week....it can be perfectly normal. I think many of us tend overfeed our Mantids thinking they should eat at least daily, yet in the wild where prey can escape I think they eat on a much more sporadic schedule. Misting is by far more of an important daily task than feeding is. I only feed gravid (fat) adult females daily...either 1 large hopper or 2 crickets.

It's kinda funny, I just wrote a Post about one my adult females that wasn't eating. http://mantidforum.net/forums/index.php?showtopic=22501

L6's are generally little killing machines, they have one final big meal to stretch their exoskeleton, then go anorexic. I would hold off on the honey or anything else at this point. Just spray her daily, make sure her housing has a place for her to hang upside down, away from any walls, that is at least 3x longer than she is in height.

I'm a born and bred Bay Area transplant. I miss the City.....hit up North Beach Pizza on Grant for an all-meater and a couple of pitchers of Anchor Steam. Then head across the street to the Savoy Tavoli for a couple of Kamikazes, some pool, and maybe listen to a little jazz.

 
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