Creobroter

[twolfe]

Last February I got 6 Creobroter nymphs from a trusted breeder on this forum. She wasn't sure what Creobroter species they were. I had 2 females and 1 male that made it to adults. Only one of my females laid ooths. For some reason, only the first ooth hatched, but mama is still with me and continues to lay ooths. I raised 9 of her babies communally, and 7 of them made it to adults. I'm just wondering if anyone can positively identify this species.

This is a female that molted to an adult about 10 days ago. This was shortly after she inflated her wings:

Here are a couple from today. I don't know if this is the same female. A couple of these have more red on the face than their mama does.

 

[angelofdeathzz]

Beautiful !!! I love that first shot the most, all the colors.

 

[twolfe]

Yeah, I wish she would have stayed that way. Still, some of these are more colorful than their mom.

 

[sporeworld]

I'm terrible with ID's, but I think it's Creo P. eye spots on the wings are really close.

 

[psyconiko]

Not Creo pictipennis for sure but maybe gemmatus.

 

[Termite48]

The wing spots are very close to being exactly like my C. pictipennis. These are very nice pics, but I suppose that is to be expected from someone who photos swans from a kayac. I did not appreciate how pretty these ubiquitous little creatures can be. I will try to think of someone who could use these.

 

[lunarstorm]

They look a lot like my c. pictipennis, I should post some pics of my adult male for comparison.

 

[Precarious]

Cute, I like the red face.

 

[Precarious]

I don't know if this helps but...

 

[psyconiko]

I am also terrible at identifying species,but C. pictipennis has a uniform green pronotum so I still believe this is not a C pictipennis. :helpsmilie:

 

[Gill]

In this newsletter on page 3 there is a piece called Creo confusion that discusses some of the Creobroter

http://www.ukmantisforums.co.uk/newsletters/Feb2011.pdf

 

[psyconiko]

In this newsletter on page 3 there is a piece called Creo confusion that discusses some of the Creobroter

http://www.ukmantisf...ers/Feb2011.pdf

There are pictures of every Creo species except C. pictipennis,.. :helpsmilie:

 

[RevWillie]

I am also terrible at identifying species,but C. pictipennis has a uniform green pronotum so I still believe this is not a C pictipennis. :helpsmilie:

Well... these are supposed to be C. pictipennis and they have a mottled pronotum, so... I say pictipennis

 

[psyconiko]

Well... these are supposed to be C. pictipennis and they have a green pronotum, so... I say not pictipennis....ahahaha I think some of us are color blind!!

I hope I am right because I have been selling my Creo as pictipennis.

 

[twolfe]

Well, I think that title in that article Gill sent sums it up: Creobroter confusion

 

[psyconiko]

Ok I checked to be sure and C. pictipennis has a green pronotum with a thin yellow binding so My Creos are pictipennis and yours are not.

I think they are probably C.gemmatus.

 

[Termite48]

Perhaps someone has succeeded at a mating of Creo. pictipennis and gemmatus and produced a new look. Of course the proof is if they can in turn reproduce this same colored pronatum. My Creobroters, which I have originally purchased from another member as C.pictipennis and in the 1st generation bred by me, have the brown pronatum. There are often color variations within a species, that do not make it another species within the Genus. This is a general rule in all of the Animal Kingdom. The true test is to see of the twenty or so known species of Creobroter vary in only the color of the pronatum. In fact, as I recall, one of my own Creobroter pictipennis males was bred to Tammy's female. Is that true, Tammy? The fact is that there are clear differences on the wing spots which make some ID easy. It will be a good project for someone. Maybe I can in the winter months when other now more pressing tasks take a back seat to the search of truth of this matter.

 

[gripen]

wasn't some one doing a cross breed of creos a couple weeks back? they got an ooth that is all i can remember.

 

[psyconiko]

Yes I did some crossbreed between pictipennis and elongatus but I have been clearly warned not to confuse them if succeeding because we could then lost the original bloodline if mixed up and sold(that makes sense).

I bred gemmatus,pictipennis,elongatus,apicalis and meleagris.As I told before I am terrible at identifying species...BUT I am sorry to insist, pictipennis has only a green pronotum,I mean it is my 3rd generation and I have never seen any color variation with pictipennis pronotum when adult.

Maybe I have been misinformed when buying my pictipennis?

We should really clear this out! :helpsmilie: