cross breeding

[mikemercer]

my question is this has anyone tried breeing two differnt species of mantid like a ghost and a shield mantis (just an example) ??

this was just a thought of mine is so anyone have pics?

 

[bassist]

From what I've read it doesn't work even if the ooth does yield nymphs they are infertile.

 

[The_Asa]

Definitely use the search feature for a topic like this.

This is my understanding:

Mantids of about the same size and appearance, such as a species of Hierodula and a Chinese mantis, can and occasionally have been mated. The oothecae will be infertile. If a sub species of, say 2 different species of Hierodula mates, then even if the resulting ootheca's hatch then the offspring will be very weak and die very quickly.

 

[hibiscusmile]

I have a post with pic at http://mantidforum.net/forums/index.php?sh...80&start=80

of a chinese male and religiosa female mating, funny :angry: I don't remember anything now about the ooths! Dear God, I am l :lol: :lol: sing my mind! It must be the ghost bite...[SIZE=8pt]twitch[/SIZE]

 

[OGIGA]

I remember Rick saying that it will not work!! If you get offsprings, they won't be able to reproduce any further.

 

[revmdn]

I asked that question also when I first got here. I was told that it won't happen. Also to use the search

 

[PhilinYuma]

Unless my biology is even more out of date than I thought, there is no reason why an inter species cross (F1 hybrid) cannot occur, though such crosses, fortunately, are rare, and there are a number of examples among mammals, such as tigrons and ligers (oh my!) and mules and hinnies where the F2 generation appears to thrive. Usually, the F2 generation is sterile, and I have never known of an F2 to F2 cross that has been recorded as having offspring. Sometimes, as in some fish, a cross back to the F1 generation may produce offspring. Indeed, the ability to produce fertile offspring is a rough and ready way (certainly prior to modern advances in genetics) to differentiate between different species and different subspecies. I have seen accidental crosses among different species of the same genus of fish (specifically, Cichlosoma) and their owners were sure that they were going to make a fortune with their new "creation", but they were pathetic creatures (always the fish and quite often the breeders) and sterile.

Any thoughts on this, Christian?

 

[Christian]

Crossings between genera don't work. There are a handful of examples of intergeneric copulations in captivity, but such pairings don't yield any results.

Intrageneric pairings occasionally result in some offspring, however, there was never a F2 AFAIK. The guys from TerraTypica once managed to cross the two species of Pseudocreobotra that are in stock and got a hybrid (there are pics on TT), which they paired with one of the parental species. But there wasn't any additional generation.

Sometimes there is the impression that Creobroter can be successfully cross-bred, but this is only due to misIDs and taxonomic uncertainty.

In my opinion any non-scientific experiments with cross-breeding are unnecessary and are to be banned. In any case, if done for curiosity, no hybrids should ever be given away. After some proper documentation they should be all killed.

 

[Rick]

Some of them if close in size will mate. However it doesn't produce anything.

 

[mikemercer]

thanks for all the post and i read the post i wonder why they can not produce viable offspring defintly an food for thought topic o well i am suprised how many ppl replyed to my post thanks all for your comment

 

[hibiscusmile]

Some of them if close in size will mate. However it doesn't produce anything.

Rick, certainly it produces something! Excitement! :lol:

 

[Rick]

By using the search feature I found a three page thread where we discussed this before: http://mantidforum.net/forums/index.php?sh...l=crossbreeding

 

[PhilinYuma]

By using the search feature I found a three page thread where we discussed this before: http://mantidforum.net/forums/index.php?sh...l=crossbreeding

Yeah, I looked that one up. I was interested to see that almost all of the members who contributed to that thread are now gone. I wonder what happened to jandl2204's "large scale cross breeding program (private)" ? (As though I couldn't guess!)

It would be easy to joke about this, but it's not a funny subject. Christian's stern warning about destroying the offspring of any accidental cross mating may sound draconian, but it is the view of just about every scientist who has spoken or written on the subject. However, people are still going to go on trying, for what reason I cannot fathom, so let me close with a warning:

If you cross breed, THE MANTIS GODDESS (BLESSED BE HER NAME) WILL GET YOU! :angry: