Colorcham427
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Taken from my tiny, 14 dollar phone lol
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Taken from my tiny, 14 dollar phone lol
kitkat39
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"14 dollar phone" hahahaha!
Colorcham427
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I decided TODAY to re-group and rid the morph idea. Mantis aren't like this, are they?
I have been told that some species such as B. Mendica show different characteristics by location. Some B. Mendica are smaller and some show much more vivid greens, if this is a fact, which hasn't been proven yet? Locales are real. So, is it possible with Violins? I'm assuming it is possible, however, these were produced by the same clutch, so this isn't something that literally can be split up. I made the mistake, and I apologize for that. If each different looking female came from different wild caught females/ooths than I would consider doing this, but in this situation, this is not the case.
I am still going to mix the lighter colored females with the lighter males, and the females with the odd smokey tints with tiny forest green markings with the darker colored males.
I am hoping this lineage will be producing even more unusual looking specimens, once I mix some of my females with unrelated Violins. I am bringing a couple different lines, (as I was told by both parties, they were produced from wild caught ooths that were in fact brought in at different times).
Unfortunately most of these Violins don't share the super white "head cap thingy" lol Phil!
However, I was told they aren't super dark and not all of them look a like which is my ideal goal. To mix, match, and produce "different" looking Violins. Let's face it, Violins have been brought down tremendously these past several months. I aim to bring these back to the status that they belong to, these are really cool! lol
I have been told that some species such as B. Mendica show different characteristics by location. Some B. Mendica are smaller and some show much more vivid greens, if this is a fact, which hasn't been proven yet? Locales are real. So, is it possible with Violins? I'm assuming it is possible, however, these were produced by the same clutch, so this isn't something that literally can be split up. I made the mistake, and I apologize for that. If each different looking female came from different wild caught females/ooths than I would consider doing this, but in this situation, this is not the case.
I am still going to mix the lighter colored females with the lighter males, and the females with the odd smokey tints with tiny forest green markings with the darker colored males.
I am hoping this lineage will be producing even more unusual looking specimens, once I mix some of my females with unrelated Violins. I am bringing a couple different lines, (as I was told by both parties, they were produced from wild caught ooths that were in fact brought in at different times).
Unfortunately most of these Violins don't share the super white "head cap thingy" lol Phil!
However, I was told they aren't super dark and not all of them look a like which is my ideal goal. To mix, match, and produce "different" looking Violins. Let's face it, Violins have been brought down tremendously these past several months. I aim to bring these back to the status that they belong to, these are really cool! lol
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Colorcham427
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hey! it was 14 bucks PLUS tax!!! LOL
I've recently FINALLY decided to get with the program and use the "computer phones" lol.. my younger brother has the latest droid and he has two, or some other phone that he wants to keep instead, so I lucked out and am getting it lol.. thing hasn't been programed yet for me, but it will soon be, same number if it's an option, I hope!
PhilinYuma
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I think that it was an original idea to seperate the color morphs, but I think that you are right in not selling them in the belief that they will breed true; they will not. You are right in thinking that isects demonstrate usually slight differences in size and color. When I was a kid,, and probably still today, English butterfly collectors would collect a "series" of each species and travel around the country (which is not very big!) to obtain variations for their collection.
Mantids, like Stagmomantis sp. for example, often have a brown and green color morph which appears to be at least partly affected by whether they are in a dry(brown) or moist (green) environment, but once the nymph changes color, it lacks the ability to change back, regardless of the environment.
The genetics can be extremely complex, especially when multiple traits or a single trait as the expression of multiple genes (polygenetic inheritance) are concerned and I don't think that there is enough information on this in mantids to make much of a judgment, though your specimens seem to clearly indicate that a wider degree of variation is possible that I, at least, had suspected.
I suggest that if your HS biology is a bit hazy, you link to this site: http://learn.genetics.utah.edu/ and go to "Inheritance".
I would also strongly suggest that if you can afford the time and space, you try some selective breeding on this species for a few generations and see if you can produce a strain two that breed true. Good luck on this, and keep us informed.
Mantids, like Stagmomantis sp. for example, often have a brown and green color morph which appears to be at least partly affected by whether they are in a dry(brown) or moist (green) environment, but once the nymph changes color, it lacks the ability to change back, regardless of the environment.
The genetics can be extremely complex, especially when multiple traits or a single trait as the expression of multiple genes (polygenetic inheritance) are concerned and I don't think that there is enough information on this in mantids to make much of a judgment, though your specimens seem to clearly indicate that a wider degree of variation is possible that I, at least, had suspected.
I suggest that if your HS biology is a bit hazy, you link to this site: http://learn.genetics.utah.edu/ and go to "Inheritance".
I would also strongly suggest that if you can afford the time and space, you try some selective breeding on this species for a few generations and see if you can produce a strain two that breed true. Good luck on this, and keep us informed.
Colorcham427
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Phil, once again thanks for being supportive and helping with an awesome link.
I haven't abandoned the selective pairing for specific trait purposes.
I'm hoping one day I will produce a Violin that molts to an adult that shows vibrant yellows and more solid green patches. It is still amazing to see such white in a Violin, very awesome to see in person!
I will keep you all posted once I have some ooths hatching and some L1's molting, etc.
I haven't abandoned the selective pairing for specific trait purposes.
I'm hoping one day I will produce a Violin that molts to an adult that shows vibrant yellows and more solid green patches. It is still amazing to see such white in a Violin, very awesome to see in person!
I will keep you all posted once I have some ooths hatching and some L1's molting, etc.
