curious about something

[massaman]

I was wondering on something when buying a mantis and someone says their the mediator for the person selling the mantis would it be better just to ask to go to the source and buy from that person or use a mediator and never heard of buying something through a mediator instead of buying from instead of directly from the person selling!My understanding of mediators was in the case of disputes in legal issues or things to that nature!

 

[hibiscusmile]

Some people do it because they do not want to give their supplier source, been done since time began, mediators are used everywhere, sort of like a proxy who stands in for someone else. Only this is not the right word, the word is Middleman, who also stands (sometimes) to gain from the transaction as is in this case.

 

[GreenOasis]

Is it because the person really selling the mantis does not have access to the internet or something?

I would tend to agree with Rebecca...it's probably because the person selling them doesn't want to give away his (probably ultra-cheap) source!

 

[PhilinYuma]

In some cases, too, the source wants to preserve the privacy of the transaction. I never sell, for my own selfish reasons, but if I give something away, I prefer that the transaction be kept private for obvious reasons.

 

[massaman]

well just wondering as was asking frey about wanting something and find out it is like 90 dollars for shipping out of africa I would imagine and he or she is the mediator!

 

[Krissim Klaw]

Personally, when it comes to animals I always want to go to the source. I want to know who the breeder is and what their practices are.

 

[lion]

I feel the same way when people tell me I can't buy legal from these great shops you have.

 

[PhilinYuma]

well just wondering as was asking frey about wanting something and find out it is like 90 dollars for shipping out of africa I would imagine and he or she is the mediator!

A mediator, Paul as I think Rebecca explained, is someone who helps two parties settle a dispute. Frey is acting as a middleman, or to be more PC, a middleperson.or retailer, if you will. If you go into a clothing store and tell the manager that you would prefer to deal directly with the manufacturer, don't expect him to facilitate your arrangements; that's not what he's there for.

However, when an entrepreneur buys African mantids, they are very unlikely to get their investment and certainly not their shipping costs back if their customers complain, so for a buyer, who knows that ooths are WC from Africa to expect a guarantee that they will hatch is a little naive.

Three additional things.

Firstly, if Frey told you that in a personal message, then you are violating her privacy and forum rules by repeating it on the open forum unless she gave you permission to do so.

Secondly, it is grotesquely rude of you to refer to Frey as "he or she" when she has announced clearly that she is a woman. Do you refer to your mother in that way? Would you expect others to do so? If you don't even trust this seller to get her own *** right, why on earth are you doing business with her?

Thirdly, why do you continue to express your complaints as hypotheticals instead of coming out and complaining? The last time you did this, if I remember, was when you asked a "hypothetical" about sellers charging for heat or cold packs when it later turned out that you were covertly complaining about the practice of a specific vendor.

Speak your mind, Paul and I'm sure that one member or another will take time to set you straight.

 

[GreenOasis]

Speak your mind, Paul and I'm sure that one member or another will take time to set you straight.

I think that is probably what he's afraid of.

On one hand, though, there has been some dispute in the feedback/posts as to whether Frey was female or not, and if "Paul" hasn't read anything to the contrary, or anything on the subject of her *** at all, for that matter, he may not really know and doesn't want to assume, so as to avoid being "rude". After all, I don't think that Frey says in all of her ads or messages that she is a "she"!

(Incidentally, it sounds like I am being a mediator right now!) (Purely coincidental.)

 

[GreenOasis]

OH! And if you're talking about Frey acting on behalf of her contacts in Africa, that is not entirely unheard of or undesireable. It may simply be that her contacts there trust HER more than anyone and would prefer to deal strictly with her and let HER deal with customers/money. There may also be the fact that they may not speak English (or very little)...so, unless you speak French or something, there is little chance for you to successfully deal directly with the African hunters.

 

[PhilinYuma]

Well, you make a good "mediator" Carey, but Frey's ***, like yours, is spelled out with her basic stats. It always was. Those who questioned it, largely gone now, were trying to prove that she was a guy named Octobre-Mav, and one, notoriously believed that a pic of her hands were too large to be those of a woman so the "he-she" terminolgy is doubly insulting. Everyone on this forum who has received packages from her knows that she uses a girl's name on her mailing addy and use it in correspondence.

If Massaman was indeed unsure, and thought that this was an apropriate way of demonstrating that, then I am sure that he will be apologizing shortly.

 

[Frey]

Paul, this message directs you. You wrote me a message in which you wanted to get a contact to my provider in Africa. Of course said no, and why would I give you his email? You can explain this to me? Who the heck are you to allow yourself to denial of my *** and write jakihs stupidity at the time when I never had any contact with me and never, we did interests. To the brightness was Paul, the clever $ 30 - $ 90 Shipping cost includes access from city to city over 100 km one way, and shipment by courier DHL, are not the money for me, just for the person who pays for a delivery. You can not understand such simple things as this from Africa and the African countries. Paul, you know at all, without the help of google, where is Africa? Suspect not, because you still have the belief of the $ 30 you can buy a small village.

As Phil wrote, serves as a Middleman, I could not find the words earlier and used a synonym. For your messages Paul, do not give sources for a long time because I was looking for a good and reliable suppliers of cocoons from Africa. When I found myself unintentionally for drag relationship with him by such mediocrities as you. Besides, I am sure that if they have any orders from Africa, the dealer will not try to deceive someone he knows from doing business with the person from which you have already got the money and maybe more are expected. So hard to understand Paul?

 

[Peter Clausen]

Massaman,

I am leaving this thread up for the simple fact that you publicly pointed your finger at Frey and consequently deserve all of this. My only other option, since you're essentially out of warn points, is to ban you. I do, however, know that you love mantises dearly and that's a quality we can all respect. I also think Phil went a bit far in describing your lack of awareness in Frey's gender as "grotesquely rude". However, his post is generally fair in the sense that he and other members have had to put up with your confusion on public vs. private subject matter time and time again. This is a simplification of the entire situation, for those that may not know it. You've made your share of apologies to our community. It would be good for you to remember that naming people in your posts is a recipe for disaster.

I request that all upset parties send me a PM if they feel I am being too kind to Massaman. I only see a small percentage of all his posts, so I may be being to kind.

I request, Paul (Massaman), that in the future you consider sending me a PM with any questions that might involve other members of this forum. Your judgment on private vs. public subject matter is a bit fuzzy and it is going to result in the termination of your membership on this forum if this continues.

I will now close this topic from further discussion as all parties have made their points.