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Just thought I would post this, during feeding this last week, I had 3 different mantis molt and all three found on the bottom of the container. They looked totatly dead, no hope, throw them away. Well I have a little heavy vase on my feeding table for a sick mantis to sit and eat while I work, and since it died I havent used it, I took each one of these fallen mantis, which looked like it was just starting to molt, and was very straight, sorry did not stop to take pic, and place it's feet on this vases flowers where it would hang or stick on, and within 15 to 20 minutes when i saw something moving out of the side of my eyes,it was them, each one I placed there, molted and was moving around on the plant. So thinking the mantis hit the dirt and there is no hope is not necessary so. There is hope if you catch them in time. Just thought it was worth writing about, ps, one was a macrops nymph, and two were asians. ;)

 
I agree Rebecca but you have to catch it right in time.

As far as the wings it could be they don't have enough room, they fell while the wings were growing or it could be something we don't yet understand. I sometimes see wild mantids with messed up wings.

 
Yes u must catch them in time, I usually start by 6 30 so I must be catching the timeline. And with the wings, I agree, we dont know. One thing I think could contribute is maybe the mantis does not have enough strength to do whatever like fluttering to make them stand right, maybe they have a genetic deformity that causes it. :ph34r:

 
Agent A:

Dehydration and lack of nutrition are likely factors. That and lowered humidity. Perhaps youre not caring for them as you should be? Poor things... :rolleyes:

Make sure the enclosure has a relatively high humidity before a moult and that theyve been allowed to have a drink. They need to be able to pump up their wings before their new exoskeleton hardens :)

Becky:

This has happened to me with several of my stick insects before. I always try to be aware of when one is getting close to a moult as many of them seem somewhat mentally impaired (not surprising i suppose :lol: ) and tend to always choose perches way too close to the ground!

 
Whats with the hostility towards agent A superfreak? It seems every post I look at has you making an unreasonable comment towards him.

Additionally I don't think its fair at all even implying he is not taking care of his mantids due to cumpled wings. Infact I recently had a subadult molt to adult with mest up wings. All her sisters ended up fine and they have almost the exact same conditions which are quite good ;) .

As for the topic itself, I agree you need to get them at the perfect time. I've tried it with 4 mismolted mantids but only had 1 make it only to die mysteriously a week later :( <_<

 
I agree that a 'save' during a molt needs to be just in time. Usually less than a 5 minute window to be any help.

Luckily for me, I have saved a few since the bug room is in the home office. I've often heard the dreaded 'thunk' while on the computer. For species that don't require high humidity, I can often hold them by the feet. Some I have re-hung from a foam stopper. Ones that need high humidity can also be taped to a twig or plastic grid.

Most of the time I figure falls during molting are due to lack of good substrate to grip. So I consider it my job to help as it is not likely a problem with the individual mantis. For example, Europeans do not have sticky pads on their tarsi, so they need something that the tarsal claws will sink into. A fall is almost certain if one chooses to molt from grid or plastic keeper tops.

 
yeatzee - agent A was very aggressive in his assertions that others on this forum werent taking care of their mantids properly in a (unfortunately deleted) topic. i dont believe ive said anything particularly nasty. just reminding him of his recent silly accusations with one of my own ;)

 
Whats with the hostility towards agent A superfreak? It seems every post I look at has you making an unreasonable comment towards him. Additionally I don't think its fair at all even implying he is not taking care of his mantids due to cumpled wings. Infact I recently had a subadult molt to adult with mest up wings. All her sisters ended up fine and they have almost the exact same conditions which are quite good ;) .

As for the topic itself, I agree you need to get them at the perfect time. I've tried it with 4 mismolted mantids but only had 1 make it only to die mysteriously a week later :( <_<
Go back over Alex's posts, mate. You'll get the idea :rolleyes:

Crumpled wings may be the recessive phenotype or poor circulation but most likely low humidity.

 
Well in that case fighting fire with fire is simply immature and is not needed on these forums IMHO.

I doubt humidity was the problem in my case simply because the mismolts were with my indigenous species.

 
Indeed it is immature but when you've tried to extinguish a stubborn fire over & over again, a little back-burning can't be all that bad.

 
like i said, i havnt said anything nasty. whats with the hostility towards me, yeatzee?

and as for fighting fire with fire - no one should be flinging fire in the first place, dont you think? ;)

and as for the humidity issue - i didnt say it was definitely the problem here, it was just a suggestion of what could be altered to improve conditions for the molt.

why do people have to turn things into a brawl? :rolleyes: why join in? silly! :)

 
Indeed it is immature but when you've tried to extinguish a stubborn fire over & over again, a little back-burning can't be all that bad.
Well I guess I havent been on the forums enough to see all that Agent A has done :rolleyes:

like i said, i havnt said anything nasty. whats with the hostility towards me, yeatzee?and as for fighting fire with fire - no one should be flinging fire in the first place, dont you think? ;)

and as for the humidity issue - i didnt say it was definitely the problem here, it was just a suggestion of what could be altered to improve conditions for the molt.

why do people have to turn things into a brawl? :rolleyes: why join in? silly! :)
My post shows no hostility, just me trying to get to the bottom of what I personally see on these forums which is you getting mad at agent A for reasons I could not see.

Nasty is a term everyone defines by themselves..... what you think nasty quite possibly can be different than what others think ;)

as for the fighting fire comment... I agree which is why I posted ".....fighting fire with fire is simply immature and is not needed on these forums IMHO." :rolleyes: ;)

I see no brawl...just a civilized conversation ;) :lol:

 
Well I guess I havent been on the forums enough to see all that Agent A has done :rolleyes: My post shows no hostility, just me trying to get to the bottom of what I personally see on these forums which is you getting mad at agent A for reasons I could not see.

Nasty is a term everyone defines by themselves..... what you think nasty quite possibly can be different than what others think ;)

as for the fighting fire comment... I agree which is why I posted ".....fighting fire with fire is simply immature and is not needed on these forums IMHO." :rolleyes: ;)

I see no brawl...just a civilized conversation ;) :lol:
A well-couched argument of moderation, Yeatze!

 
Whats with the hostility towards agent A superfreak? It seems every post I look at has you making an unreasonable comment towards him.
Thank you! It must be something with the respitory system because for the wings to expand, they must breathe to pump blood to their wings. And really superfreak, why be so harsh towards me? I'm only 12, and always have problems with males not molting, since I started, only 1 male became an adult safely, and that was last year, and the other problem is egg bound females. I don't need someone critiqueing my rearing skills, I'll figure it out someday, and I'm in no mood for mean comments, my budwing mantis died 2 days ago and I feel that he could have been saved. And I did change one post on a topic where I went a little overboard. But don't blame me. If someone showed pictures of them feeding a mantis to a tarantula would you go crazy? I changed a post there so it was less offensive (it went from "your sick, you discust me, blah blah" to "how could you?"). Wouldn't you agree that was a good change?

 
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And really superfreak, why be so harsh towards me? I'm only 12, and always have problems with males not molting, since I started, only 1 male became an adult safely, and that was last year, and the other problem is egg bound females.
You have yet to understand the full implications & pointlessness of some of your posts. You are 12 years old & new to mantids so stop pretending that you know everything. You made a very bad impression when you became a member of this forum, and you know what they say about first impressions. On the plus side, I feel you are starting to become more humble & mature. Nuture these facets of your persona.

I don't need someone critiqueing my rearing skills, I'll figure it out someday
Then why do you start topics? :huh:

and I'm in no mood for mean comments, my budwing mantis died 2 days ago and I feel that he could have been saved. And I did change one post on a topic where I went a little overboard. But don't blame me. If someone showed pictures of them feeding a mantis to a tarantula would you go crazy? I changed a post there so it was less offensive (it went from "your sick, you discust me, blah blah" to "how could you?"). Wouldn't you agree that was a good change?
The answer to the 'Feeding Time' question is 'no, she didn't go crazy.' (Sorry for speaking for you, dear :) ) I'm 100% positive mantids are part of a tarantula's diet. It was a very interesting topic to tell you the truth. I don't like offering my mantids as food, but in this case, why let the mantid suffer & a spider go hungry? Thankyou Katnapper for enlighting me :) The topic was put in the wrong subforum & that's why naive mantid newbies began flinging poo.

Oh, and changing your post didn't do much good cos the topic was deleted :rolleyes:

What was this topic about again? *sigh*

 
sorry agent a, i didnt see the change. the mods obviously decided it was too difficult a topic for us feeble minded sheep before i could get back to it ;)

plus, i think i said something about realising that youre only twelve and backing off? or was that deleted too? :rolleyes: ah well!

and yeatzee:

I see no brawl...just a civilized conversation wink.gif laugh.gif
then why the comment about fire and hostility? ;) :lol:

 
QUOTE (agent A @ Jun 11 2009, 10:10 AM) *

And really superfreak, why be so harsh towards me? I'm only 12, and always have problems with males not molting, since I started, only 1 male became an adult safely, and that was last year, and the other problem is egg bound females.

because despite all this you still decide to fling harsh criticisms about other people's mantis rearing skills (talking about that other user's egg bound female.). you made almost EXACTLY the same comment i did, though i toned it down a fair bit to avoid the kind of attention im getting from yeatzee here. i mean really, how difficult is it to see my point?!! you obviously don't like it when the assumption is made about your skills. will you stop doing it to other people?

everyone here wants to help you learn to take care of your mantids properly. but if you attack the skills of forum members who have been here longer than you (and are older than you - though i dont see what difference that makes!) then sparks are sure to fly!

(not to mention that the extremely high incidence of failure mentioned in your comment does indicate something wrong with the technique - though that can be changed with everyone's help and some practice! :) )

 
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