First Ooth hatching... WASPS!

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CosbyArt

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I was checking my various mantis incubating containers and was at first excited! This was my first time incubating ooths, and my first ootheca to show signs of life.

I saw a little black creature inside the container around the lid. I thought perhaps a small spider got into the container, as I thought it was too small to be a mantis, and the ooth has only been warming up for 23 days (not long enough for mantis to hatch).

I looked inside and saw a few more in the bottom. I got out my camera to use the macro function to clearly see what was in the container. It turned out not to be a spider or a mantis, but the dreaded parasitic wasp (Podagrion sp). After making absolutely sure, I put the whole container in my freezer at 0 Fahrenheit for over three hours.

After removing the container from the freezer I removed the ooth and everything else to get all the frozen wasps out. Turns out there were ten wasps that hatched, and at least another three hatching from the ooth when I froze it. Oddly, the wasps hatch from the backside of the ooth.

I decided to get some photos of the event with my new setup (and did some focus stacking, and even found a script to automate it some for CHDK). About a hour of warming up some of the wasps showed signs of life, moving their legs and antenna. I prompted use my razor blade and cut their heads off.

I have put them in a air-tight container for now to try and get some better/more photos later; however, once I done with that I will ensure all of them are exterminated - nothing worse than this creature.

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aww, that's a real disappointment... Well, maybe you can hatch one of LAME's?!

huh?huuuhhh?! ;) ;)

nah but seriously... Those photos are wicked CosbyArt. For real bro you've got some real potential with those close ups. I'd love to see more photos come out from you.

 
aww, that's a real disappointment... Well, maybe you can hatch one of LAME's?!

huh?huuuhhh?! ;) ;)

nah but seriously... Those photos are wicked CosbyArt. For real bro you've got some real potential with those close ups. I'd love to see more photos come out from you.
Yeah it was, but at least I'm on the right track if those darn wasps are hatching. Indeed, I'm planning on getting two of the ooths you sent me incubating shortly - perhaps tomorrow. :D

Thanks, still playing around but hoping to get much better photos now that I got the right parts (originally I ordered one wrong item and had to wait for the correct one to arrive for my camera) - and can spend more time doing it.

 
Sorry to hear about that Crosby.

There are some kinds of wasps that live at least part of their life off of wild ootheca. When hatching wild ootheca I make sure to hatch them in a contained area so that the wasps do not escape. The majority of the time the emerging wasps do not kill off all the developing mantis nymphs. If the wasps were extremely good at their job they would decimate their own food source.

There may be some live mantises left in the ootheca, as ootheca that I have incubated for hatching that have popped out wasps will later hatch out the remaining living mantids.

Best wishes,

-Jay

 
Awesome! :D

keep me updated buddy.
Sure, and your also see them pop-up on the forum :D

Sorry to hear about that Cosby.

There are some kinds of wasps that live at least part of their life off of wild ootheca. When hatching wild ootheca I make sure to hatch them in a contained area so that the wasps do not escape. The majority of the time the emerging wasps do not kill off all the developing mantis nymphs. If the wasps were extremely good at their job they would decimate their own food source.

There may be some live mantises left in the ootheca, as ootheca that I have incubated for hatching that have popped out wasps will later hatch out the remaining living mantids.

Best wishes,

-Jay
I have my ooths setup in large 2 quart containers with a mesh lids, 2 per container, so any hatching mantises will be fine for awhile. I guess it worked out great for wasps too.

I thought I read that some mantises survive in the ooth even with wasps. I have though frozen the ooth at 0 degrees for about 12 hours total now to kill the wasps, so I'm not sure if it'll hatch now. As I thought it was a waste I also split the ooth in half, across the short side, and found another 8 wasps on both sides of the split. I doubt anything could live both the wasps and hard freeze after it has been incubating for about 4 weeks, but who knows - may try again and kill off any hatching wasps by catching them.

I have 2 more wild ooths, and 4 from my pet Susanna incubating. All of which has been incubating much longer with no wasps so surely I'll have some mantises soon. I also have 4 others that I know for sure are fertile as well that I got from LAME. So no worries. I'll keep at it and have some nymphs. :D

 
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Dissecting the ooth by cutting another slice with a razor to take some photos, I discovered that there was a white larva, maggot like - alive and moving. As the wasps inside the ooth are well developed and easily identified as a wasp, it appears that it is a undeveloped mantis.

I have carefully put all the pieces of the ooth back on a dowel rod, secured carefully with hot glue (same as before). Making sure the pieces were orientated properly so any possible mantis nymphs have a chance to hatch. I did however put it into a 32oz container completely empty, that way I can dispose of any wasps that may continue to hatch.

I am curious to see what a few more weeks will bring to this ooth, as it appears there are some mantises that beat their fate and are awaiting their birth.

 
Your right - I just got to be careful or I'll end up with more than Denise (dmina)
lol.gif
Hey what is wrong with collecting mantis?... your just jealous...hehe So what if they own me... Love them!

Wow.. missed this while I was gone... Good thing you had them isolated!

Awesome photos... I know I got some photo's of my wasp infestation... I will look them up..

But thanks for sharing...

 
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Hey what is wrong with collecting mantis?... your just jealous...hehe So what if they own me... Love them!

Wow.. missed this while I was gone... Good thing you had them isolated!

Awesome photos... I know I got some photo's of my wasp infestation... I will look them up..

But thanks for sharing...
Nothing is wrong with that as you should know by PM's :D

Yes you were missed as you can see. Of course, I have ooths from different locations/mothers in different containers. I figured I could keep a eye on them better and can say which mantis came from where.

Thanks, my first shot at focus stacking that wasn't disastrous. Hopefully they get much better as I use it more often.

 
Well after 38 days my 2 remaining wild ooths I found outside hatched some wasps today. The other ooth above took 22 days. So 3 out of 3 ooths were infected with the parasitic wasps. I have been killing the wasps and hoping there are a few mantises that will hatch from the ooths.

I ended up adding a heating pad to keep the ooth temps around the low 80s Fahrenheit to help them hatch, so far only more wasps for my trouble. With my luck so far I'd be happy if any mantises climb out of the ooths I'm incubating.

 

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