giant asian: grandis or membranacea?

[idolomantis]

hi,

we al know and the most of you have the giant asian. bud...there is also a giand indian who is who?

hierodula membranacea: giant asian/giant indian...

hierodula grandis : giant asian/giant indian...

so who is who...? i,m a little confused now :wacko:

 

[Rick]

indian:hierodula grandis

asian:hierodula grandis

or at least that's how I understand it.

 

[idolomantis]

indian:hierodula grandisasian:hierodula grandis

or at least that's how I understand it.

bud how about h membranacea?

 

[Pelle]

What about Hierodula membranacea is Hierodula membranacea and Hierodula grandis is Hierodula grandis.

Common names are confusing and irritating.

 

[idolomantis]

What about Hierodula membranacea is Hierodula membranacea and Hierodula grandis is Hierodula grandis.Common names are confusing and irritating.

yes i know bud look.. if somone sel giant indian i think then its grandis then i buy, and then its membranacea bud then i tought i buysome grandis... you understand?

 

[Christian]

Not to say that the H. grandis which are in stock probably are H. membranacea... :blink:

 

[Rob Byatt]

Not to say that the H. grandis which are in stock probably are H. membranacea... :blink:

True words. I've never seen H. grandis in the UK, even though it is being sold as such.

 

[macro junkie]

graham is the only known breeder i know of with the real grandis..iv been told every breder thats selling them arnt the real deal.Graham is the only mantis breeder in the uk that has permision to go to other countries and bring mantids back with him.Like the Hierodula solomonis..Just 1 of many mantids which only he has..there amazing things..he has alot of stuff.,

 

[Rick]

bud how about h membranacea?

oops!

indian: h. grandis

asian: h. mem

 

[idolomantis]

oops! indian: h. grandis

asian: h. mem

thanks rick

how long can h.grandis be?

 

[Rob Byatt]

graham is the only known breeder i know of with the real grandis..iv been told every breder thats selling them arnt the real deal.Graham is the only mantis breeder in the uk that has permision to go to other countries and bring mantids back with him.Like the Hierodula solomonis..Just 1 of many mantids which only he has..there amazing things..he has alot of stuff.,

It has not been identified as H. grandis, trust me I believe it is H. membranacea, but until specimens have been sent to someone with more experience of this genus, then neither I nor Graham can be sure.

 

[idolomantis]

It has not been identified as H. grandis, trust me I believe it is H. membranacea, but until specimens have been sent to someone with more experience of this genus, then neither I nor Graham can be sure.

i become a little confused now... :wacko:

 

[tier]

Hi

First I want to say: It is nearly sure that there are no H. grandis in Germany. H. grandis is not the same as H. membranacea, but there are some areas in India where you can find both species.

Well, I used to keep a Hierodula species that was sold as grandis. It was sold to me on the worlds biggest terraristic-show, the "terraristika" in Hamm, Germany. I used a key to Indian Hierodula species and I confirmed that it is not grandis. Even if it is not one of the lot of Indian Hierodula species but one of the other Hierodula species not living in India (there are hundreds, by the way), I can say that the common "grandis" in germany are no grandis.

I cannot say for sure that it is membranacea or even the newly described keralensis sp. nov. because I don't know that this is an Indian Hierodula actually because we cannot trace back and observe if they are from India actually originally. Probable all german "grandis" are membranacea.

Best regards,

tier

PS: Ok, we have no H.salomonis over here, too. In fact there is a little possibility that there are "real" grandis in the United Kingdom

 

[idolomantis]

HiFirst I want to say: It is nearly sure that there are no H. grandis in Germany. H. grandis is not the same as H. membranacea, but there are some areas in India where you can find both species.

Well, I used to keep a Hierodula species that was sold as grandis. It was sold to me on the worlds biggest terraristic-show, the "terraristika" in Hamm, Germany. I used a key to Indian Hierodula species and I confirmed that it is not grandis. Even if it is not one of the lot of Indian Hierodula species but one of the other Hierodula species not living in India (there are hundreds, by the way), I can say that the common "grandis" in germany are no grandis.

I cannot say for sure that it is membranacea or even the newly described keralensis sp. nov. because I don't know that this is an Indian Hierodula actually because we cannot trace back and observe if they are from India actually originally. Probable all german "grandis" are membranacea.

Best regards,

tier

PS: Ok, we have no H.salomonis over here, too. In fact there is a little possibility that there are "real" grandis in the United Kingdom

so in culture grandis=membranacea? are you saying that?... bud what about h. salomonis macro junkiesays he have them

 

[tier]

Yes, In Germany the so called H."grandis" seem to be H.membranacea, but scientifically grandis and membranacea are two different, very similar species.

 

[idolomantis]

Yes, In Germany the so called H."grandis" seem to be H.membranacea, but scientifically grandis and membranacea are two different, very similar species.

okay i understand now...bud h salomonis you said that there not existed in culture bud m. junkie seems to have, or did you say they where rare in culture, or do i go crazy now..

 

[tier]

We do not have H. salomonis over here in Germany, I don't know anything about H. salomonis

Maybe there are real grandis in the UK, but I don't know

 

[idolomantis]

We do not have H. salomonis over here in Germany, I don't know anything about H. salomonis Maybe there are real grandis in the UK, but I don't know

ok thanks bud i go crazy i gonna sleep now

 

[Rob Byatt]

We do not have H. salomonis over here in Germany, I don't know anything about H. salomonis Maybe there are real grandis in the UK, but I don't know

I'm 99% sure that it does not exist in the UK. I don't know every person that keeps mantids here so that acounts for the 1% However, I do know all the top breeders here and I have not seen any Heirodula that show characteristics of H. grandis.