Hierodula bipapilla is a synonym of Hierodula patellifera

[happy1892]

Hierodula bipapilla is a synonym of Hierodula patellifera?

http://mantodea.speciesfile.org/Common/basic/Taxa.aspx?TaxonNameID=3580

 

[agent A]

they look identical! i have L1/2 nymphs

 

[Mime454]

Does that mean that they are the same species and able to interbreed, or that they are just similar?

 

[happy1892]

Does that mean that they are the same species and able to interbreed, or that they are just similar?

It means those two names mean the same thing. It means that they were called that but they changed the name and now they are called Hierodula patellifera.

 

[hierodula]

all right then lol, we should have someone breed them together to make sure.

 

[happy1892]

all right then lol, we should have someone breed them together to make sure.

How about keep a few pure so we (I mean somebody else) will see if inbreeding kills them?

 

[SilentDeviL]

In Taiwan we call it Hierodula bipapilla not sure if they are the same. but I did Google it they do look very a like . But is so hard to say ... all Hierodula species look very close ... other then Gaint asian longer and slimmer ...

 

[happy1892]

In Taiwan we call it Hierodula bipapilla not sure if they are the same. but I did Google it they do look very a like . But is so hard to say ... all Hierodula species look very close ... other then Gaint asian longer and slimmer ...

Okay. Do some people call a mantis in Taiwan Hierodula patellifera? On mantodea.speciesfile.org says that the name was changed to Hierodula patellifera and that it used to be Hierodula bipapilla and H. dispar and H. manillana and H. manillensis, H. raptoria. So it seems like it was called many names. It seems like the name Hierodula bipapilla stuck. Here look at all of this. Weird that there are no subspecies listed... so I guess there are no subspecies of H. patellifera.

 

[GhostYeahX]

they are two sp.

Hierodula bipapilla in China we call Shuang Tu Futang（futang means hierodula), (shuang tu means doble dots)

Hierodula patellifera is Guang Futang



Hierodula bipapilla only has 2 yellow dots on each front arm while patellifera has 3

sorry I cant use professional name cuz my english sucks

 

[agent A]

Explains bipapilla rather than tripapilla or patellifera

 

[happy1892]

they are two sp.

Hierodula bipapilla in China we call Shuang Tu Futang（futang means hierodula), (shuang tu means doble dots)

Hierodula patellifera is Guang Futang

Hierodula bipapilla only has 2 yellow dots on each front arm while patellifera has 3

sorry I cant use professional name cuz my english sucks

Interesting. I kind of doubt that the Shuang Tu Futang is Hierodula bipapilla. Are the Shuang Tu Futang said to be Hierodula bipapilla on many websites (I mean internet)?

 

[happy1892]

I think the Shuang Tu Futang are not Hierodula patellifera and are another species but maybe they are a subspecies of of Hierodula patellifera and are different from the ones we know of. I think that because on Mantodea.speciesfile.org Hierodula bipapilla is listed as a synonym of Hierodula patellifera.

 

[happy1892]

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[happy1892]

This says two white coxal spines on each of the front legs is a way to identify H. patellifera. They might just be talking about telling the difference between three HIerodula species in Singapore.

http://rmbr.nus.edu.sg/nis/bulletin2009/2009nis55-61.pdf

But the ones in Japan have three dots on each leg.

http://www.insects.jp/kon-kamaharabiro.htm

 

[happy1892]

http://zsi.gov.in/checklist/mantodea.pdf

"Change of Placements of species after 1995"

"10. Hierodula (Hierodula) bipapilla (Audinet-Serville, 1839): Synonymised with Hierodula

patellifera patellifera (Audinet-Serville, 1839)
11. Hierodula (Hierodula) saussurei Kirby, 1904: Synonymised with Hierodula patellifera
patellifera (Audinet-Serville, 1839)"