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jmelom

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Hi everyone! Been lurking on this forum for a few years and wanted to come out and introduce myself. I worked with invertebrates (fruit flies) during my PhD in neuroscience and just have a general fascination with all things bugs. I've raised a few butterfly species (hickory horned devils, monarchs) as well as some mantis species (Chinese mantis, ghost mantis). I took a break to start a family, but am interested in getting some mantis nymphs back in the house. Looking for a species that doesn't get too large, is easy to care for, and is fun to watch. Any suggestions? Would Creobroter be a good beginner/intermediate mantis to keep?

Thanks all!

 
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With your PhD in neuroscience what work have you gotten into? I'm just curious as I can't say I've read that before.

Creobroter are good for beginners, see their caresheet here, and it lists them as beginner. There are many others see the dedicated caresheets for information, search the forum, or see my copied response below (as it is asked with each new member). ;)

Ghosts (Phyllocrania paradoxa) are great and tame easily, and have a very exotic look but are a very hardy species - recommended for beginners too. Chinese mantids (Tenodera sinensis) are a great option as they are a naturalized species so can be captured in the wild (I saw two today). The Chinese mantids also grow large at about 4", which means they also are hungry pigs. ;)

One of my favorites has to be Carolina mantids (Stagmomantis carolina) as they are a native species, and extra nymphs from a ooth can be released. They seem to have individual attitudes/traits, take to handling and various feeders well, etc. Likely though I have a soft spot for them as I got started in the hobby rescuing my first mantid from a winter freeze while at work. They do require a bit more care, but if you can mange humidity and feeding properly, I doubt you'll have problems with the species as it was my first.

Some great beginner mantid species though are African mantis (Sphodromantis lineola), Budwing mantis (Parasphendale affinis or Parasphendale argrionina), Chinese mantis (Tenodera sinensis), Double shield mantids (Pnigomantis medioconstricta), Ghost mantis (Phyllocrania paradoxa), Giant Asian mantis (Hierodula membranacea), and Griffin mantis (Polyspilota griffinii). Although some are not necessary listed as typical beginner species, they are all hardy, and seem to do fine even with beginners.

Have fun searching and getting started. :D

 
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Thanks Thomas for the great info and links to the care sheets. Sorry for asking the same question as everyone else!

After my PhD I did some postdoctoral research on basic cell neurobiology, with a bent towards understanding early events in Alzheimer's disease . Now I've switched gears and work in the field of cancer immunotherapy (as many other researchers have done in the past few years - it's a hot field!).

 
Thanks Thomas for the great info and links to the care sheets. Sorry for asking the same question as everyone else!

After my PhD I did some postdoctoral research on basic cell neurobiology, with a bent towards understanding early events in Alzheimer's disease . Now I've switched gears and work in the field of cancer immunotherapy (as many other researchers have done in the past few years - it's a hot field!).
Your welcome for the info/links. Oh your fine don't worry, I didn't mean it as you read it, after all if I was upset I wouldn't have bothered with the links and information. ;) I know text often can off rather callous/rude so I try to add the emojis to show feeling, to prevent miscommunication, but it does little compared to actually speaking I know.

I do think we need to take a consensus of good beginner species, make it a sticky post, and that way new members can find it or we can link to it. I'm curious did you decide on a mantid species, perhaps Creobroter sp.?

Interesting work you have for sure, and above my head. Hopefully though with the change your find satisfaction, or whatever it is your searching for, in your work.

About the only related thing I studied about is CJD (Creutzfeldt-Jakob Disease), which seems to be linked to some Alzheimer sufferers; however, as the test to confirm CJD is only by brain biopsy or autopsy, it is usually unknown/undiagnosed. When I was studying funeral sciences at my university it was a hot topic with the funeral professors, and one of those seemed to think all Alzheimer sufferers should be treated as a CJD case during the embalming (but rarely did we know if the deceased had Alzheimer's anyway). Interesting enough at the funeral home I worked at during that time, we handled one confirmed case of CJD.

 
Yes, I'm trying to find someone now who has Creobroter nymphs. I think that would be a great species to start with again, and they're so beautiful too.

CJD is a scary disease! Alzheimer's is also probably one of those under-diagnosed diseases, since you could possibly have mild symptoms for years or decades that are never detected (or written off as "old age"). Course you never know until you look...

 
A quick look at the usual websites online turns up adults males, but no nymphs. If you haven't done so already you should place a WTB (wanted to buy) ad in the classifieds listings with the species and instar preference to see if anyone has any available. Best of luck, sadly most species pass in and out of the hobby rather regularly and some species can be rather hard to obtain.

I agree on all points, and especially how many things are attributed to "old age" and never discovered. If the tests for such diseases could be made that don't require such extreme measures, it would be amazing to see how it would advance the understanding and sequential healthcare options made available.

Hopefully your find your mantis species soon and you can get to enjoying the hobby. :)

 

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