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Members of the Mashco-Piro tribe observe an expedition of the Spanish Geographical

Society from across the Alto Madre de Dios river in the Amazon basin of southeastern

Peru, as photographed through a telescope by Spanish explorer Diego Cortijo on

November 16, 2011.

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This Nov. 2011 image made available by Survival International on Tuesday

Jan. 31, 2012, shows members of the Mashco-Piro tribe, photographed at

an undisclosed location near the Manu National Park in southeastern Peru.

According to Survival International the image is one of the closest sightings

of isolated Amazon Indians ever recorded with a camera.

(AP Photo/Diego Cortijo,Survival International)

LIMA, Peru (AP) — Peruvian authorities say they are struggling to keep outsiders away from a clan of previously isolated Amazon Indians who began appearing on the banks of a jungle river popular with environmental tourists last year.

The behavior of the small group of Mashco-Piro Indians has puzzled scientists, who say it may be related to the encroachment of loggers and by low-flying aircraft from nearby natural gas and oil exploration in the southeastern region of the country.

Clan members have been blamed for two bow-and-arrow attacks on people near the riverbank in Madre de Dios state where officials say the Indians were first seen last May.

One badly wounded a forest ranger in October. The following month, another fatally pierced the heart of a local Matsiguenka Indian, Nicolas "Shaco" Flores, who had long maintained a relationship with the Mashco-Piro.

The advocacy group Survival International released photos Tuesday showing clan members on the riverbank, describing the pictures as the "most detailed sightings of uncontacted Indians ever recorded on camera."

The British-based group provided the photos exactly a year after releasing aerial photos from Brazil of another tribe classified as uncontacted, one of about 100 such groups it says exist around the world.

One of the Mashco-Piro photos was taken by a bird watcher in August, Survival International said. The other two were shot by Spanish archaeologist Diego Cortijo on Nov. 16, six days before Flores was killed.

Cortijo, a member of the Spanish Geographical Society, was visiting Flores while on an expedition in search of petroglyphs and said clan members appeared across the river from Flores' house, calling for him by name.

Flores could communicate with the Mashco-Piro because he spoke two related dialects, said Cortijo, who added that Flores had previously provided clan members with machetes and cooking pots.

The Mashco-Piro tribe is believed to number in the hundreds and lives in the Manu National Park that borders Diamante, a community of more than 200 people where Flores lived.

Although it's not known what provoked the Mashco-Piro clan to leave the relative safety of their tribe's jungle home, Beatriz Huerta, an anthropologist who works with Peru's agency for indigenous affairs, speculated their habitat is becoming increasingly less isolated.

The upper Madre de Dios region where the tribe lives has been affected by logging, she said. "They are removing wood very close."

Meanwhile, Huerta said, naturalists in the area and Manu National Park officials told her during a recent visit that a rise in air traffic related to natural gas and oil exploration in the region is adversely affecting native hunting grounds, forcing increasing migration by nomadic tribes.

The clan that showed up at the river is believed to number about 60, including some 25 adults, said Carlos Soria, a professor at Lima's Catholic University who ran Peru's park protection agency last year.

"It seemed like they wanted to draw a bit of attention, which is a bit strange because I know that on other occasions they had attacked people," Cortijo said by phone from Spain. "It seemed they didn't want us to go near them, but I also know that the only thing that they wanted was machetes and cooking pots."

Cortijo said the group lingered by the river a few minutes, apparently to see if a boat would pass by so they could ask for some tools, something authorities say they had done in the past.

"The place where they are seen is one of heavy transit" of river cargo and tourist passage, and so the potential for more violent encounters remains high, Soria said.

That is compounded by culture clash. The Mashco-Piro live by their own social code, which Soria said includes the practice of kidnapping other tribes' women and children.

He said the Mashco-Piro are one of about 15 "uncontacted" tribes in Peru that together are estimated to number between 12,000 and 15,000 people living in jungles east of the Andes.

"The situation is incredibly delicate," said Huerta, the government anthropologist.

"It's very clear that they don't want people there," she said of the area where the clan has been loitering, noting that it had ransacked a jungle ranger's post that authorities later removed.

One of the clan's likely fears is being decimated by disease borne by outsiders, as has occurred with other uncontacted peoples, Huerta said.

But its also a mystery why they have appeared in an area so heavily trafficked, she added.

After the first sightings, and after tourists left clothing for the Mashco-Piro, state authorities issued a directive in August barring all boats from going ashore in the area. But enforcing it has been difficult as there are few trained and willing local officials.

Authorities say they aren't sure why Flores was killed. It could be that the Mashco-Piro were angry because he hadn't provided them with more machetes and cooking pots. Or perhaps it was because they considered the farming plot where he was killed too close to what they considered their territory.

Cortijo, the Spanish archaeologist, said the loss of Flores makes reaching any understanding with the Mashco-Piro very complicated.

"The problem is that 'Shaco' was the only person who could talk to them," he said. "Now that he's dead it's impossible to make contact."

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Yea, this article really makes you think...

Should we do all that we can to leave them be? Or - as fellow human beings - do we have an 'civilising mission', an obligation of sorts to reform their worldview / ethics / practices so that they can at least relate to the rest of their species?

If they understood the big picture, would they prefer to remain isolated in their 'savage reservations', or do their best to join the world as life expectancies and living standards continue to increase? Would they rather continue as they are while humans (eventually, unless we destroy ourselves first!) reach out and colonise the heavens?

Is it more ethical (or less ethical) to approach them, and do what we can to tell them that they have a choice?

 
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Their world has sadly come to an abrubt end the day contact was made. The bloody conquest of Amazonia continues.

 
Personally, I say leave them alone. I think it's beautiful to live within nature, to be free of artificial restraints.

Modern culture is a horrible trap designed by the predatory upper class to get fat on the sweat and suffering of the rest of us. These "primitives" aren't missing anything... except enslavement. Ask a Native American if they think the world was better before the whilte man came, or if guns and liquor were worth giving up their land, their culture, their freedom.

Native peoples live long healthy lives without western medicine. Why? Because their way of life lacks the stresses of modern living. They work only a few hours per day and that is done communally and with a known purpose by which they all benefit. They gather food, they prepare food, they maintain housing and tools. Therefore they act with purpose. How many of us can say that about the work we do? We get paid for our time only, regardless of the value placed on the products or services we supply. And they work only a few hours rather than 8 or more. The rest of their time is spent in leisure pursuits with their families.

So don't feel bad for humans living as humans were intended to live. We came out of nature and created this artificial world where sports and celebrity are seen as important. We scramble to obtain the newest smart phone as if it matters and pay exorbitant fees to live in someone else's home or drive a flashy vehicle. And none of it really matters or makes the world a better place. The priorities of modern humans are so far out of whack it's ridiculous.

But that's just my opinion.

 
Personally, I say leave them alone. I think it's beautiful to live within nature, to be free of artificial restraints.

Modern culture is a horrible trap designed by the predatory upper class to get fat on the sweat and suffering of the rest of us. These "primitives" aren't missing anything... except enslavement. Ask a Native American if they think the world was better before the whilte man came, or if guns and liquor were worth giving up their land, their culture, their freedom.

Native peoples live long healthy lives without western medicine. Why? Because their way of life lacks the stresses of modern living. They work only a few hours per day and that is done communally and with a known purpose by which they all benefit. They gather food, they prepare food, they maintain housing and tools. Therefore they act with purpose. How many of us can say that about the work we do? We get paid for our time only, regardless of the value placed on the products or services we supply. And they work only a few hours rather than 8 or more. The rest of their time is spent in leisure pursuits with their families.

So don't feel bad for humans living as humans were intended to live. We came out of nature and created this artificial world where sports and celebrity are seen as important. We scramble to obtain the newest smart phone as if it matters and pay exorbitant fees to live in someone else's home or drive a flashy vehicle. And none of it really matters or makes the world a better place. The priorities of modern humans are so far out of whack it's ridiculous.

But that's just my opinion.
+1 and well said!

One of the things that distresses me most about modern society is our growing inability to feed ourselves without industrial food. If all the food factories went away tomorrow, and no one was shipping produce from CA, we would simply all die (perhaps depending on the season).

 
+1 and well said!

One of the things that distresses me most about modern society is our growing inability to feed ourselves without industrial food. If all the food factories went away tomorrow, and no one was shipping produce from CA, we would simply all die (perhaps depending on the season).
And that is the purpose of the evil known as Globalism. The elite get us to import everything. That way they make money by producing goods cheaper using 3rd world labor while still charging us full price. Plus they make money transporting the goods. Meanwhile, local economies die and survival becomes dependent on a fragile network of transport. This also serves to siphons wealth out of the US economy.

All of these are dangerous ideas that benefit only those at the top, those with no loyalty to nations. They also lead to consolidation of power, further endangering sovereignty and economic stability. Look at the situation in Europe. Formerly independent nations have become entangled in an unelected bureaucracy demanding economic control and inflicting further suffering on the people. Let that be a warning of the dangers of consolidation. We should be thankful we have them as an example before the North American Union is pushed on us.

There is virtually no accountability in this modern world. In a tribal situation there is no hiding behind faceless corporations or governmental mandates. You are seen for who you are, and what you do is an expression of your character. Those who endanger the group are dealt with severely and with immediacy. When your survival depends on the people around you there grows a sacred bond. That bond is broken when you don't even know where your food or products come from, who made them, and under what conditions. We inherit the moral sins of the producers who's only goal is profit. As consumers we consume their guilt.

We are headed for a rough ride. I can only hope the further collapse of the globalist system forces us back into a more local perspective.

 
Personally, I say leave them alone. I think it's beautiful to live within nature, to be free of artificial restraints.

Modern culture is a horrible trap designed by the predatory upper class to get fat on the sweat and suffering of the rest of us. These "primitives" aren't missing anything... except enslavement. Ask a Native American if they think the world was better before the whilte man came, or if guns and liquor were worth giving up their land, their culture, their freedom.

Native peoples live long healthy lives without western medicine. Why? Because their way of life lacks the stresses of modern living. They work only a few hours per day and that is done communally and with a known purpose by which they all benefit. They gather food, they prepare food, they maintain housing and tools. Therefore they act with purpose. How many of us can say that about the work we do? We get paid for our time only, regardless of the value placed on the products or services we supply. And they work only a few hours rather than 8 or more. The rest of their time is spent in leisure pursuits with their families.

So don't feel bad for humans living as humans were intended to live. We came out of nature and created this artificial world where sports and celebrity are seen as important. We scramble to obtain the newest smart phone as if it matters and pay exorbitant fees to live in someone else's home or drive a flashy vehicle. And none of it really matters or makes the world a better place. The priorities of modern humans are so far out of whack it's ridiculous.

But that's just my opinion.
I agree with some of what you say, but to say they only work a few hours a day and live long healthy lives is absurd. That type of life is beyond difficult. Try spending just a few days in nature with nothing but a couple simple tools and the clothes on your back. Simply finding enough food and water each day is a major challenge, not to mention shelter. There is nothing easy about how these people live. There is an article in this months NatGeo on another tribe. But I agree, leave them alone.

 
Aunt Susan! Cousin Barry! So this is where you have been hiding all this time? You guys need to come home. The IRS won't stop knocking on my door looking for you. :lol:

Yeah really, they should just be left alone. If all they want from us is some Pot, and Machettes. Then we should give it to them. What could possible go wrong? :p

 
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I agree with some of what you say, but to say they only work a few hours a day and live long healthy lives is absurd.
We're talking about the Amazonian rainforest, Rick. Everything is plentiful and readily available. That includes building supplies for their simple structures. I am very fond of primitive cultures and tribal lifestyles so I have read (and watched) quite a bit about them. It is uncommon for them to work more than 4 hours per day. Food is easily gathered, unless their habitat is being encroached upon, with protein being the most difficult to acquire. Hunting would be the most time consuming job, but other foods can often be gathered along the way.

Mortality is very high for infants with many dying before the second year. That is when the majority of deaths occur. You can see plenty of evidence of old age in any documentary on tribal life. Of course, we don't know exactly how old the elders are, and not everyone lives past 40, but the visual evidence is there. And I see people dying young in our culture too, so old age is not guaranteed even for us.

I would imagine eating fresh, organically grown foods has its health benefits. Our factory farmed fruits and vegetables are so lacking in nutritional value we may as well eat cardboard. And breathing fresh, unpolluted air while getting sunshine (that stimulates production of vitamin D) and daily exercise doesn't hurt either.

That type of life is beyond difficult. Try spending just a few days in nature with nothing but a couple simple tools and the clothes on your back. Simply finding enough food and water each day is a major challenge, not to mention shelter. There is nothing easy about how these people live. There is an article in this months NatGeo on another tribe. But I agree, leave them alone.
We don't have the benefit of the abundance found in a rain forest so there is no comparable environment in my locality. And you and I are soft due to our western ways so not only do we lack a lifetime of experience surviving in the wild, but also a tolerance for denial of creature comforts.

I didn't say their lives were easy, per se. I just said their way of life was better and more honest than modern culture. And I did point out that was just my personal opinion. You are free to think otherwise.

 
Members of the Mashco-Piro tribe observe an expedition of the Spanish Geographical Society from across the Alto Madre de Dios river in the Amazon basin of southeastern Peru, as photographed through a telescope by Spanish explorer Diego Cortijo on November 16, 2011.
So weird... I had no idea there were still 'Spanish Explorers' wandering around the Amazon basin. Cortes again? Surely these indigenes are hiding some gold somewhere.

I think the only thing that MAY be missing from these people's lives is improved medicine and I'm not even sure of that. Leisure time does not equate to a good life, in my opinion. I think it's rude to assume that because we have "more stuff" that our way of life is better.

Obey the Prime Directive.

 
So weird... I had no idea there were still 'Spanish Explorers' wandering around the Amazon basin. Cortes again? Surely these indigenes are hiding some gold somewhere.

I think the only thing that MAY be missing from these people's lives is improved medicine and I'm not even sure of that. Leisure time does not equate to a good life, in my opinion. I think it's rude to assume that because we have "more stuff" that our way of life is better.

Obey the Prime Directive.
Ha-ha! Thankfully, today's Spanish explorers no longer represent the the greed and conquest of royalty. :D You know, those families that think they deserve to own everything because they are better than everyone else.

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Yeah, agreed. Life is not about leisure. But we should make a distinction between tribal leisure, which is time spent bonding with family, and western culture's idea of leisure, which is parking in front of a TV or playing a video game. An overly generalized statement, I know, but essentially true for the average American. Hey, I watch TV too so guilty as charged. So there can be meaning in leisure or simply time lost.

 
We're talking about the Amazonian rainforest, Rick. Everything is plentiful and readily available. That includes building supplies for their simple structures. I am very fond of primitive cultures and tribal lifestyles so I have read (and watched) quite a bit about them. It is uncommon for them to work more than 4 hours per day. Food is easily gathered, unless their habitat is being encroached upon, with protein being the most difficult to acquire. Hunting would be the most time consuming job, but other foods can often be gathered along the way.

Mortality is very high for infants with many dying before the second year. That is when the majority of deaths occur. You can see plenty of evidence of old age in any documentary on tribal life. Of course, we don't know exactly how old the elders are, and not everyone lives past 40, but the visual evidence is there. And I see people dying young in our culture too, so old age is not guaranteed even for us.

I would imagine eating fresh, organically grown foods has its health benefits. Our factory farmed fruits and vegetables are so lacking in nutritional value we may as well eat cardboard. And breathing fresh, unpolluted air while getting sunshine (that stimulates production of vitamin D) and daily exercise doesn't hurt either.

We don't have the benefit of the abundance found in a rain forest so there is no comparable environment in my locality. And you and I are soft due to our western ways so not only do we lack a lifetime of experience surviving in the wild, but also a tolerance for denial of creature comforts.

I didn't say their lives were easy, per se. I just said their way of life was better and more honest than modern culture. And I did point out that was just my personal opinion. You are free to think otherwise.
I don't disagree with better and more honest. There might be plenty of resources, but that does not mean life is not a daily challenge. If there is one thing I know about it's survival, and the life of these peoples is difficult. There is no denying that. Living a primitive existence is a hard, difficult life. Have you ever been in a rainforest/jungle? Have you ever spent time outdoors for days on end with basically nothing and tried to survive? I have done both, many times. I'm not really disagreeing with you, I'm just trying to say that that kind of life is no cake walk.

 
If it's all they know, it's not easy or hard. It's called "living". Leave them to live their lives in peace. Something this modern world hasn't any concept of, besides killing to get what they promise as "peace".

 
I don't disagree with better and more honest. There might be plenty of resources, but that does not mean life is not a daily challenge. If there is one thing I know about it's survival, and the life of these peoples is difficult. There is no denying that. Living a primitive existence is a hard, difficult life. Have you ever been in a rainforest/jungle? Have you ever spent time outdoors for days on end with basically nothing and tried to survive? I have done both, many times. I'm not really disagreeing with you, I'm just trying to say that that kind of life is no cake walk.
I'm a big fan of Cody Lundin. I'm sure you know who that is. I think it's pretty awesome how he preserves primitive survival skills. I don't think we're really disagreeing on anything. Life is hard. Period. We deal with the situation we've been born into. Waking to an alarm clock and dealing with the stresses of our lives is hard too. But if we screw up we don't usually die because of it. I'm definitely not saying they've got it easy, but it's what they know. They have hundreds of thousands of years of survival wisdom backing them up. I don't. I've been domesticated. :pinch:

OK... gotta go! Orchid ooth hatching! :)

 
I'm a big fan of Cody Lundin. I'm sure you know who that is. I think it's pretty awesome how he preserves primitive survival skills. I don't think we're really disagreeing on anything. Life is hard. Period. We deal with the situation we've been born into. Waking to an alarm clock and dealing with the stresses of our lives is hard too. But if we screw up we don't usually die because of it. I'm definitely not saying they've got it easy, but it's what they know. They have hundreds of thousands of years of survival wisdom backing them up. I don't. I've been domesticated. :pinch:

OK... gotta go! Orchid ooth hatching! :)
That's true. It is what they know and they are obviously masters at it. In those places the environment itself is a challenge. The jungle can kill you in a million different ways and rot the clothes right off of your body. And I agree on most modern humans having it easy in comparison.

 

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