mantis species?

[yen_saw]

I know this is quite difficult at the moment since the nymph just hatch. But if any of you have any indication on what kind of species this one is - based on the following ootheca and L1 nymph pic - please repond. No worry about wrong guess i am all ear and open to any suggestion. The ootheca were from Northern Africa and had been incubated for about 3 months (at least)!

ootheca

Nymph - L1

Many thanks! (Sorry i know too many pics which may not help at all)

 

[robo mantis]

You may have to wait until next shed then maybe you could identify.

 

[jplelito]

Yen,

My guess is Sphodromantis of some sort - although the incubation time is rather longish, if wild collected it could have been in diapause I suppose - I didn't know they did that.

I have a picture somewhere of an L1 from when I had them years ago (Sphodromantis centralis) I will post tomorrow if I remember!

Maybe Christian can tell even as a first instar.

 

[yen_saw]

That's what i was thinking at first Jon, although it doesn't match the usual sphdromantis nymphs' color at hatchling. Another info i forgot to add was the solid hard surface and darker color (resembling Hierodula ootheca minus the papery feeling) of ootheca. Thanks for your thought Jon.

 

[jplelito]

Yen,

I added that pic I was talking about to the link above...

The ooth does look different, I agree, but it might be dried out or made during the dry season, which might also explain why it didn't hatch in a month like many warm-area mantids do.

Maybe something closely related... keep us updated as it grows, it may get easier to figure out what he/she is.

How many hatched out? That looked like a decent sized ooth.

 

[Orin]

Hierodula patellifera has a smaller, really solid ootheca (not at all papery) like that but I don't believe the nymphs are that color and it's from Asia. If it's a Heirodula you may never figure out what species. Good luck!

 

[Rick]

Sphodromantis is what I was thinking while looking at the ooth. The nymph doesn't look like it though. Interesting looking little guy though.

 

[yen_saw]

Yen, I added that pic I was talking about to the link above...

The ooth does look different, I agree, but it might be dried out or made during the dry season, which might also explain why it didn't hatch in a month like many warm-area mantids do.

Maybe something closely related... keep us updated as it grows, it may get easier to figure out what he/she is.

How many hatched out? That looked like a decent sized ooth.

Thanks for the pic Jon, it does look like one. Only 17 nymphs hatched out from this ootheca, based on the ootheca size, i would have thought the hatching rate to be higher.

Yes Orin it does look like Hierodula Patelifera ootheca. At the moment, my guess is a species of SPhodromantis.

 

[Orin]

It certainly looks like the S.centralis photo at L1

 

[Christian]

Hi.

This species is imported frequently from Tansania since 2 or 3 years. It's a Sphodromantis, I wait for some specimens from a friend to determine them. The ootheca is typical, it may be a forest species.

Regards,

Christian

 

[yen_saw]

Thanks Chrsitian, and i am aware that there are many Sphodromantis species so who knows! But at least we got sphodromantis!

 

[Jenn]

They are very cute... Nice eyes. wonderful pictures yen

 

[yen_saw]

Thanks Jenn. This species look very different after first molt, it turn into yellowish/greenish at L2, and right now it is L3 and bright green color.

 

[OGIGA]

Dark red to bright green, that's interesting. I wonder how it'll end up.

 

[yen_saw]

They grew up a little now, it is still difficult to see what exact species.

 

[AFK]

i'm taking a shot in the dark here, but i'd say that is either Hymenopus coronatus or Panthera tigris.

 

[Rob Byatt]

i'm taking a shot in the dark here, but i'd say that is either Hymenopus coronatus or Panthera tigris.

You got the wrong topic mate ? :wink:

The ootheca looks like a Hierodula sp. but the nymph seems more like a Sphodromantis sp., but I really can't tell from the picture. Do you have a close-up of the head ?

Rob.

 

[AFK]

okay, maybe i was off with the Hymenopus coronatus, but i still stand by Panthera tigris. if you don't believe me, google it up. i am, after all, an expert on invertebrates, especially with mantids.

 

[yen_saw]

AFK, you are so wrong!! it is a woolly mammoth how could you miss it.....

Brought the species to the museum, and was told it could be Sphdromantis Viridus. Anyway, i am letting it go for display in the insect zoo.