Ooth-bound S. Limbata

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I recently let a pet mantid go. she had been an adult for about 3 or 4 months and was the last of some winter-born nymphs that I raised up from an ooth.

An s. limbata, she never mated and was one of the rare survivors of the pink/peach camo morph i really like. I also love the yellow, black camo, white, copper camo, and purple legged morphs of these. I think they are very colorful for U.S. native mantids, probably due to their preference for roses and zinnias (the most frequent plants I have seen them on in the wild).

Interestingly, she never mated and NEVER LAID AN OOTH. Technically i guess she is what is referred to (erroneously?) as eggbound. Phil seems to know something about this so please let us know about it. This also happened to som GSE flower mantids i had - never laid a single ooth. I live in the desert so local conditions could affect ooth laying or at least add another variable to the mix.

She, the pink s. limbata, lived happily as an adult and i recently let her go so that she can convalesce in the mantid garden (recently weeded by my tireless wife) before her appointment with the infinite. I say her yesterday peering from the heavy foliage of her new home - a bamboo fence covered with passion flower and passion fruit vines. Anyways, my point is that she never laid an ooth yet she seemed healthy and happy, albeit a bit of the bloat perhaps. Did not really seem to affect her much though.

So what is egg-bound really? Most egyptians that we had developed a bloat and only managed to lay smallish odd-shaped infertile ooths - were they eggbound? conversely, i thought Phil said something about mantids will only deposit eggs in ooths if they are fertile (plz correct me if i am wrong Phil), but my point is after my wife's parthenogenic m. paykulii Mary hatched along with 2 other sisters, i thought the rest of the large ooth did not hatch because because we had not watered it as much as we would have if it were fertilized. However, upon opening up the ooth 2 weeks after the mantids hatched out (assuming it would be dried out or somethng) i noticed there were tons of undeveloped clear eggs in there. Surely these were infertile? Was the virgin egyptian mantid who laid the ooth Mary the parthenogenic mantid came from oothbound if she only laid 2 ooths?

 
Mantids lay ooths whether mated or not. Every now and then I get one that doesn't lay an ooth regardless of what is done. Kinda like mismolts, it just happens to all of us at one time or another.

 
No idea. I would be surprised if anyone really knows why.
Me, too! There may well be more than one reason.

And I just read you post Arkanis. Can't remember saying anything about only a fertile female being able to lay an ooth (this happens to me with increasing frequency), but if I did, it would be that only a female who can produce eggs and is therefore "fertile" can lay an ooth, but the eggs may or not have been fertilized. My fairly minor quibblle with applying the term "eggbound" to mantids is that any other critter who is eggbound has an egg with a shell or skin covering it stuck somewhere in the genital tract. It can be treated, I understand if caught early enough in reptiles, but I have never heard of a chicken recovering.

Since the egg covering in mantids is not applied until the eggs start to emerge, this can't apply to them. The old term "barren" would probably be a more apropriate term for a female who can't lay eggs, but I think that we are stuck with "egg bound." :D

 
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Well I call it egg bound, cause she getts fatter and fatter until one day....POOF! They usually die and if u look inside the belly, it is full of eggs never laid!

 
Ironically, I think we can only infer egg-bound post mortem. I think the term is okay to use for lack of a truly better term. Even just to qualify it with 'seems' or 'appears' would be good enough for me. Ooth-bound sounds like the inability to make the foam to me...

 
:lol: Bound up, like can't poop! As Webster describes it"

Main Entry: 2bound

Function: noun

Etymology: Middle English, from Anglo-French bounde, bodne, from Medieval Latin bodina

Date: 13th century

1 a : a limiting line : boundary —usually used in plural b : something that limits or restrains <beyond the bounds of decency>

2 usually plural a : borderland b : the land within certain bounds

3 : a number greater than or equal to every number in a set (as the range of a function); also : a number less than or equal to every number in a set

 
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:lol: Bound up, like can't poop! As Webster describes it"Main Entry: 2bound

Function: noun

Etymology: Middle English, from Anglo-French bounde, bodne, from Medieval Latin bodina

Date: 13th century

1 a : a limiting line : boundary —usually used in plural b : something that limits or restrains <beyond the bounds of decency>

2 usually plural a : borderland b : the land within certain bounds

3 : a number greater than or equal to every number in a set (as the range of a function); also : a number less than or equal to every number in a set
You are absolutely right about the Webster dictionaries. They actually give one parallel (not definition, I think) to "bind" as "= constipate"!

Edit: Ah. I just checked the OED, since you did the work on Webster and it gives meaning II:4 of the verb as "to hinder the natural flux of the bowels, to make costive." Sounds like constipation to me!

 
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