Quick question for all of you.

Mantidforum

Help Support Mantidforum:

This site may earn a commission from merchant affiliate links, including eBay, Amazon, and others.

ABbuggin

Well-known member
Joined
Jul 15, 2006
Messages
1,859
Reaction score
2
Location
North Carolina, USA
I need to know what the proper plural term for "praying mantis" is. I need to know, otherwise I'll be docked in my college class for incorrect grammar. :rolleyes:

So is it:

praying mantids

or

praying mantises

????

Honestly, I have no clue. :lol:

 
Last edited by a moderator:
I've always wondered that myself. You would've been one of the people I would ask though LOL

I say "Mantises" or "My Bugs" (I guess AgentA wouldn't like that)

I dunno, mantids just sounds weird to me.

 
Lol @ Opivy.

I personally use praying mantids, but in honesty, I don't know if it is grammatically correct. My professor (computer class) isn't a "bug guy" so he may not know. I guess I'd just not rather take the chance.

 
If a highly respected book is entitled "The Praying Mantids," you would think the term would be correct. I don't really know for sure, but it does sound better than "Mantises" to me.

 
I need to know what the proper plural term for "praying mantis" is. I need to know, otherwise I'll be docked in my college class for incorrect grammar. :rolleyes: So is it:

praying mantids

or

praying mantises

????Honestly, I have no clue. :lol:
Both are correct, but modern American usage leans towards "mantids" as in Orin's (excellent, buy it if you don't already have it) book Praying Mantids: Keeping Aliens (did I mention that Peter sells it at Bugs in Cyberspace??) and the Prete book, The Praying Mantids.

The question of the singular is a little murkier. Most people, I think, still follow the Greek root and call it a "mantis", but some, by back formation , say "mantid".

And for bonus points, though there is no relationship between "mantis" and "mantissa", the math term, the latter is an anagram for "Satanism". :D

 
Mantids. I really doubt a non bug person will know either way or even care.

 
If a highly respected book is entitled "The Praying Mantids," you would think the term would be correct. I don't really know for sure, but it does sound better than "Mantises" to me.
omg, why didn't I think of that before. I have that very book. :wacko:

Thanks guys, I guess I had it right the first time. :D

 
Do the folks here really not know the rule behind this? I guess it's obscure, but I didn't think it was.

'Mantis' as a term refers exclusively to species in the genus 'Mantis' (i.e. Mantis religiosa), while 'Mantid' refers to any species within the order 'Mantodea.' Thus, it goes along that insects you can properly apply the term 'mantis' to are pluralized to 'mantises,' while 'mantid' species are pluralized to 'mantids.' However, both terms are used fairly interchangeably so it's really up to personal preference.

Here is the source of my info: http://www.ext.colostate.edu/PUBS/insect/05510.html (bottom of the page under the heading 'mantis or mantid?')

 
Do the folks here really not know the rule behind this? I guess it's obscure, but I didn't think it was.'Mantis' as a term refers exclusively to species in the genus 'Mantis' (i.e. Mantis religiosa), while 'Mantid' refers to any species within the order 'Mantodea.' Thus, it goes along that insects you can properly apply the term 'mantis' to are pluralized to 'mantises,' while 'mantid' species are pluralized to 'mantids.' However, both terms are used fairly interchangeably so it's really up to personal preference.

Here is the source of my info: http://www.ext.colostate.edu/PUBS/insect/05510.html (bottom of the page under the heading 'mantis or mantid?')
Ah yes! A young scientist getting it laughably wrong! I remember reading the same argument in a Wikipedia article, a cuppla years back. Here's the "laughably wrong" part: "Technically, Mantis is properly applied to a genus of mantids, the most widely recognized being “the” praying mantid, Mantis religiosa. Mantid is the best term applied to members of this order, Mantodea." So he calls M. religiosa a mantid, anyway. :D

Recently, I whinged, in my elderly way, about the fact that scientists often have little knowledge of language. I probably exaggerated. They have no idea about language, whatsoever. Technically, one uses technical names, like "mantodea", not "mantids" for technical matters.

The common terms, "mantis" and "mantid" belong to the province of etymologists. Either is fine. A much stronger case can be made for Agent A's claim (another whinge, I believe) that the insecta should be called "insects", not "bugs" (to avoid confusion with the hemiptera, I assume), but descriptive etymologists won the day in the US with Webster's 3rd International dictionary (http://encyclopedia.stateuniversity.com/pages/5867/dictionary.html), and if people use "bug" to denote what may be an insect (it could also be a scorpion or other arthropod), that's the way it goes.

I remember being dangerously forthright in a discussion on this subject in my doctoral orals (passed, though!) but this is not the place for such a discussion. So while I stand strongly opposed to both your position, Bats, as well as Rick's highly prescriptive approach ("it's "mantids" where I live, so it must be true throughout the U.S."), I shall just mumble quietly to myself. :D

 

Latest posts

Top