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PhilinYuma

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O.K.. I admit it, I have not bred anything since the end of last year, mostly because of my vacation time in Jan and early Feb. Last November, though, Precarious sent me a nice Gambian ooth, Pseudoharpax virescens, and I raised the young in a small net cage to see how many would survive communal living. The answer was not many (the container was probably too small. I shall use 12" cubes exclusively in future), but enough boys and girls for breeding purposes. I ended up with two males, one with "crinkled wings after a bad final molt, and three females, which eclosed to adult late last week. I still didn't separate them, and though the perfect male has been eying one of the females since yesterday, she showed no interest and I did not see her "calling". Still too young, I thought, after only one week of adulthood Today, I moved the small cage into the "real" bug room, which I am redoing, including the installation of ultrasonic humidifiers. These pack more of a wallop than the heater kind and don't require distilled water -- which would be a major problem and expense at five or more gals/day).

I set up an ultrasonic humidifier at full blast and moved a flood lamp so that the cage was about 80F and 80%RH This is not as easily done as it sounds, since rising temp tends to lower humidity and vice versa. Within an hour of reaching these parameters, though the male had mounted the female and four hours later, they are still in cop.

The value of increased humidity in mating is old news, but not much discussed on this forum. I shall be getting some Creobroter pictipennis in the next week or so, and another member has offered to work on some breeding experiments with a group of his own. I shall be interested to see if the nymphs do well (i.e. molt safely) with a RH of around 40% and then mate when the humidity is dramatically increased to 80%+ as happens in countries that have a monsoon climate or thrive on the high humidity throughout their lives.

There has bee a fair bit of discussion about the value of hygrometers in the past. Some folks don't see a need for them, others have doubtful results because their hygrometer (just about anything that I've seen in a pet store) is inaccurate. I use several Caliber III digital thermometer/hygrometers desihgned for humidors. They are small enough to fit in a 32 oz pot and you can buy a test kit when you get one, to test its accuracy. I have been impressed. I have tried several humidifiers of both kinds, including Consumer Report's top listed "adorable penguin", and the best one, so far is Crane's 21/2 gal/day machine.

I hope that members will share their information on this topic; I am always happy to have others do my work for me! :D

 
I threw out my plastic hygrometers from the pet store, if you bumped the thing it would move 15%. The digital one I use for the room works much better.

I've been using the Reptifogger with great success. What I do is mist everyone in the morning, then for the humidity lovers or potential mates I'll put the hose of the fogger on the top screen. I'll give each one a few hours of fog per day, just switching the hose between my classes. I've found Reptibark holds humidity pretty well.

My Creo gems have been kept at pretty high humidity - they're growing like weeds. I recently mated my ghosts and budwings at high humidity, though the budwing mated the first time at around 50% RH. I also keep my adult female Idolo under higher humidity to simulate the wet season in Musoma.

It is much tougher to keep the humidity up with a light blasting on the cage, which is why I don't turn them on until around 10 am. Once the substrate is moist enough I start the lights for ~10 hours.

 
I am just wondering if a humidifier is needed, or just more convenient than spritzing. There are so many to choose from. warm, cool, filtered/unfiltered, and ultrasonic. Not to mention all the different sizes and features. I have a small room that is becoming my mantis haven and I want to make them all as comfy as possible. I have norm room temps for California and was also wondering if a space heater would be needed. The house stays 72-79 degrees. I think I may just need humidity. Any humidity evaporative methods? damp towel and fan blowing?

 
I agree Phil. All of my mantids are endemic to Southeast Asia and I've been doing some tests. Although I'm living in a tropical country (average RH 70-90%) the RH here can drop to 50% on bad days. I've been pairing up my T. elegans (extremely sensitive with humidity) almost nightly and on nights when the humidity is 80% or more (along with high temps of 28-32 C), the males will instantly mount females without hesitation. On bad nights, they will just stare at the females and do nothing.

 
Thanks, Shaik, and good to hear from you. You give the humidity as RH%, and that seems to be the key.. Since we are talking about relative water vapor pressure (actual vapor pressure/saturation vapor pressure x 100%) here, rather than total vapor pressure, as the temperature rises, an RH of 100% can be maintained with higher and higher total moisture. At 10C (50F) the air is saturated at about 13millibars of vapor pressure, but at 30C (86F) it supports 42mb, so I wonder if higher temps and an increasing vapor pressure don't increase the volume of the hemolymph and stimulate copulation during the wettest season of the year, which in Singapore, I guess is coming to an end, now, with the end of the big monsoon.

This is nothing more than a semi educated guess, Shaik, but if true, the big (northerly) monsoon should be the mating season for local mantids whose ooths will then hatch when the heavy winds and rains are safely over. I shall be very interested to hear if that is the case.

 
Good to be back Phil. Been rather busy with work and family.

Based on personal experience from collecting mantids in Malaysia, and what the Orang Asli (aboriginals) told me concerning the abundance different mantids during specific months, your assumption could very well be correct.

Another thing to consider would be the fact that rainfall might also have a direct effect on mantids, at least the Southeast Asian species that I've kept/am keeping. Even if the humidity and temperature is on point, I've had issues with mantids not pairing up and not laying oothecae because I did not replicate rain by over-spraying their enclosures.

 

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