Unnecessary Evolution??

[agent A]

So we are learning about evolution in biology class, and it got me thinking

what caused the creobroter genus to evolve 21 or so different species all confined to southern asia? they all eat the same stuff, are all adapted to the same environment (which is why they all have the same care requirements), and they are pretty much identical to each other

but they still underwent speciation, and yet, the species **** sapiens sapiens is distributed worldwide and hasn't undergone speciation, we r all the same exact species

so what exactly is going on here? please help clarify this

thanx

 

[rs4guy]

Sure we have, diff variety of skin/hair combinations for diff types of climates, asian/native american eye slits smaller for protection from the sun etc...

 

[massaman]

its not evolution that causes this its like with dogs it is from mutations and breeding with other species and what not that created different species with the mantis it may or not be the same but its highly likely!Besides I cant accept the idea of evolution as it stands being biased and goes against logic in some aspects!

http://creation.com/question-evolution

 

[sinensispsyched]

Speaking of creos, is there a specific asian plant they all adapted to look similar to? Sort of like orchid mantids?

 

[brancsikia339]

Speaking of creos, is there a specific asian plant they all adapted to look similar to? Sort of like orchid mantids?

fftopic:

Honestly, all people are different, but I think scientists focus more on the animals. Honestly, bonobos and chimpanzees are considered different species, but basically look the same

 

[maybon]

So we are learning about evolution in biology class, and it got me thinking

what caused the creobroter genus to evolve 21 or so different species all confined to southern asia? they all eat the same stuff, are all adapted to the same environment (which is why they all have the same care requirements), and they are pretty much identical to each other

but they still underwent speciation, and yet, the species **** sapiens sapiens is distributed worldwide and hasn't undergone speciation, we r all the same exact species

so what exactly is going on here? please help clarify this

thanx

You are looking at evolution in the wrong way... must be bad American teaching mixed in with creationism or something lol. Evolution is not caused by anything, that's not how it works. It would have happened like this - one mantis had a weird looking baby & that baby didn't die so it had some kids, a few of those where the same and a few where a little weirder. This repeated until there was 21 different weird types of them. (or happened with a bunch of different parents, or just one parent had 21 weird babies)

Evolution is when something is born that is different from the parent slightly and then it manages to reproduce and keep its traits. By the way, creationism states it is wrong because of bad explanations but that is the foundation of it.

Have a baby that is weird, it has more babies = new species.

Humans have evolved all around you, we just don't say so because it would single people out. But the genetic difference between an african, white, asian, middle eastern etc etc are very different.

But it is more a subspecies sort of genetic difference as we all have 99% of the same traits and similarities.

p.s I don't want to have a debate about creationism and I believe in god. But you are told to question evolution have you ever been told to question creationism? Everyone is titled to their own belief and I didn't mean to offend anyone but in Australia creationism isn't even considered a real thing by anyone except strict full on crazy religious people. (not saying you are if you believe it but that's what we have to deal with) & I'm religious but the crazy ones are too much faith not enough questioning/logic.

Please don't be offended (i study science so biased)

 

[CoolMantid]

There is no reason why they did it.

I suspect from random mutations or two Creo species being able to mate (If there chromosomes are lined up close enough together to be able to make offspring but not matching enough to not distinguish it as a different species...) creating a new Creo species

Just a thought

 

[Rick]

Humans are not the best example because we're all the same species.

 

[agent A]

Humans are not the best example because we're all the same species.

exactly my point! why are all the humans in the whole world the same species but creobroter in southern asia are 21 different species?

same with sphodros in africa, and rhombodera in southern asia, stagmomantis in americas, the list goes on...

are insects more subject to mutations and speciation than mammals?

 

[maybon]

exactly my point! why are all the humans in the whole world the same species but creobroter in southern asia are 21 different species?

same with sphodros in africa, and rhombodera in southern asia, stagmomantis in americas, the list goes on...

are insects more subject to mutations and speciation than mammals?

alright let me put it this way. Downsyndrome is a mutation, which could be classified as a new species if it reproduced exclusively and all the children had the trait. We tend not to call them a different species because they are basically just people with one random mutation. For insect etc.. they have no feelings so it's alright to distinguish them apart. Hope this helped even though it's probably not politically correct it is scientifically.

 

[massaman]

It has something to do with variation and mutation and what not!

http://www.icr.org/a...tion-variation/

We know that many reptile and mammal skeletons look almost the same structurally, even though the rest of each creature is extremely different. Of course! They were designed, not randomly evolved in some mystical-evolutionary sequence. Our Designer may have "mixed & matched" parts when He was designing. The human eye is closely related to the octopus eye. Human milk is closest to that of donkeys. The human skeleton may be close to that of some primates - but so many of our other biological parts are not! Evolution is just a theory and underneath the covers it is actually a spiritual deception. What we see in the fossil record and in life today is actually evidence of a common Designer of it all.

 

[maybon]

It has something to do with variation and mutation and what not!

http://www.icr.org/a...tion-variation/

We know that many reptile and mammal skeletons look almost the same structurally, even though the rest of each creature is extremely different. Of course! They were designed, not randomly evolved in some mystical-evolutionary sequence. Our Designer may have "mixed & matched" parts when He was designing. The human eye is closely related to the octopus eye. Human milk is closest to that of donkeys. The human skeleton may be close to that of some primates - but so many of our other biological parts are not! Evolution is a myth and underneath the covers it is actually a spiritual deception. What we see in the fossil record and in life today is actually evidence of a common Designer of it all.

That is pure speculation without any proof, you are entitled to your own opinion of course. In Australia we don't use opinions as scientific facts though. If you worded it evolution is the mechanism for change from a god then I would consider it. Out right saying evolution is a myth is wrong because evolution can be seen today in many instances... What you stated is that everything is as it was and always will be, sorry to tell you but this is wrong.

 

[massaman]

ok how about this that in fact evolution is suppose to be adding something to a species when in fact there is nothing new to add to a species.So that means the species becomes a variation of which it loses something which then becomes a mutation and that comes into play and a it is a subtraction of something not adding to the species in general!

http://www.evanwiggs...es/reasons.html

 

[gripen]

It has something to do with variation and mutation and what not!

http://www.icr.org/a...tion-variation/

We know that many reptile and mammal skeletons look almost the same structurally, even though the rest of each creature is extremely different. Of course! They were designed, not randomly evolved in some mystical-evolutionary sequence. Our Designer may have "mixed & matched" parts when He was designing. The human eye is closely related to the octopus eye. Human milk is closest to that of donkeys. The human skeleton may be close to that of some primates - but so many of our other biological parts are not! Evolution is a myth and underneath the covers it is actually a spiritual deception. What we see in the fossil record and in life today is actually evidence of a common Designer of it all.

It hurts my ears to listen to this.

 

[maybon]

ok how about this that in fact evolution is suppose to be adding something to a species when in fact there is nothing new to add to a species.So that means the species becomes a variation of which it loses something which then becomes a mutation and that comes into play and a it is a subtraction of something not adding to the species in general!

http://www.evanwiggs...es/reasons.html

"that in fact evolution is suppose to be adding something" Clearly you failed to understand evolution and just said GO JESUS YOU ROCK!

Evolution is a mutant baby with a change that is passed onto offspring. That's it... nothing more or less. It is not supposed to be improving or any of that stuff it is simply a change that is passed onto future generations who continue to pass the change on.

And some times it is adding eg some bird of the same species/different sub species have a wide variation in beak sizes to fill different ecological niches. Meaning some had a change to a long skinny beak which allows them to eat food down further in the soil which others couldn't reach. This was an advantage and hence the bird thrived and the trait was passed on after it reproduced. Sometimes evolution can be disadvantage as it is random mutations... eg you have a child with over 9000 heads and it dies because it cannot live long enough to reproduce and pass the trait on.

Evolution is when a mutation is transferable. Eg if you have green skinned children and they are no better or worse for having green skin. That trait will possibly be passed on to the children. But it is not advantageous or disadvantageous either. It is just a random mutation that is transferable to offspring.

If you don't know enough about evolution or even understand the basics behind it then please don't claim it is wrong.

 

[massaman]

How about looking at the links instead and look at what is on that page and then get a opinion maybe?

 

[massaman]

I dust off my shoes and walk off and not going to get into any confrontations as I detest them!

 

[agent A]

Oh dear!! wat have I started? I had a single question and peeps r arguing over whether or not the basis of my question is real as opposed to how it works, but my misconception that evolution occurs as a necessity has been resolved and I now comprehend how whole genera of similar species develop

Please stop the hostility, I don't see it as needed

 

[maybon]

I did not mean to get into a debate about this, and stated more than once people are entitled to their own opinions. I have just never met someone who believes evolution is not real before. < biology student also. Guess it's good old American teaching haha.