2 different sheilds

[hibiscusmile]

Can someone tell me which sheilds these are? Seems I have two different species and even their ooths and babies are different sizes. Will show different nymphs tomorrow if I can.

 

[Emile.Wilson]

Yen created this thread a while back, it probably will help you

http://mantidforum.net/forums/index.php?sh...c=14633&hl=

 

[hibiscusmile]

Thanks, I couldn't find it earlier, will need close up of the two mantis now!

 

[beckyl92]

what colours their underwings?

 

[sufistic]

Could be any Rhombodera on this list! It's gonna be tough to ID especially if we don't know where the bloodline originated. Right Christian?

 

[Christian]

Almost...

Not all Rhombodera have a shield that is as large. But the relationship between basalis, valida, stalii and javana is a whole mess and not solved yet. While basalis ist probably the same as valida, I couldn't assess the species that Yen has distributed due to a lack of specimens. Yen's species is usually smaller and easier to breed, but this is of absolutely no taxonomic value. Without genitalia preparation I cannot say anything.

That's why I always propagate to keep track of one's species and to use the IGM numbers when distributing them.

 

[sufistic]

Almost...Not all Rhombodera have a shield that is as large. But the relationship between basalis, valida, stalii and javana is a whole mess and not solved yet. While basalis ist probably the same as valida, I couldn't assess the species that Yen has distributed due to a lack of specimens. Yen's species is usually smaller and easier to breed, but this is of absolutely no taxonomic value. Without genitalia preparation I cannot say anything.

That's why I always propagate to keep track of one's species and to use the IGM numbers when distributing them.

IGM is very very awesome no doubt about that. Makes tracking a whole lot easier.

 

[hibiscusmile]

gee, to late for that now! The smaller ones I got from my buddy Phil!

 

[Rick]

Interesting. Does the smaller one lay the smaller ooth like that every time? I have a few ooths from Rhombodera and I noticed one was much smaller.

 

[hibiscusmile]

Interesting. Does the smaller one lay the smaller ooth like that every time? I have a few ooths from Rhombodera and I noticed one was much smaller.

So far yes! And the babies are a third smaller.

 

[ismart]

Interesting! Could just be a size difference. I have noticed my second generation is quite a bit smaller than my first generation.

 

[sufistic]

Interesting! Could just be a size difference. I have noticed my second generation is quite a bit smaller than my first generation.

That's possible. Just like the size difference between Indonesian and Malaysian Orchids.

 

[Ntsees]

Fascinating. Two mantids that are almost identical but separated by size or that banding. Let us know which is which.

 

[Rick]

Interesting! Could just be a size difference. I have noticed my second generation is quite a bit smaller than my first generation.

I find that often captive raised are smaller than wild. Course that isn't the case here.

 

[Christian]

I find that often captive raised are smaller than wild.

That seems to be often the case with Mantis, Tenodera and other temperate species. The tropical ones often behave contrary, that is are larger than the values known from WC ones. This is most likely due to better food supply.

 

[yen_saw]

Can someone tell me which sheilds these are? Seems I have two different species and even their ooths and babies are different sizes. Will show different nymphs tomorrow if I can.

They are likely the same batch from Indonesia (java). I have seen sizes from 8.5 cm to 7 cm for female. Food supply and temperature have significant role on sizes.

Fascinating. Two mantids that are almost identical but separated by size or that banding. Let us know which is which.

The banding only occur during nymph stage for the Malaysian batch but obvious, almost non-existent for the Indonesia batch.

 

[ismart]

Christian, if i sent you enough specimens, would you possibly be able to determine what species i currently have? I can send you a bunch of pairs when they die.

 

[Christian]

Probably (Rhombodera are difficult). But I only need the ones from Yen, the other species in culture (from Thailand or Malaysia) is Rh. basalis/valida. The bloodline should be intact.

 

[sufistic]

Probably (Rhombodera are difficult). But I only need the ones from Yen, the other species in culture (from Thailand or Malaysia) is Rh. basalis/valida. The bloodline should be intact.

What about this and this from Singapore?