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Hmmm. Another thought... We had a warm period this last fall for about a week. This was before I removed the ootheca (it was on a wooden pole we use for beans to climb. We had to use a knife and delicately cut off a bit of the wood to remove it.) The weather was in the 80's, if I remember correctly. When I removed it, I noticed the holes that you can see in the picture. I wasn't sure if birds or something else made them. I wonder if some hatched then?
The holes were probably due to the weathering, although you can't dismiss that it was parasitized either. Ooths are subject to wear and tear depending on where they are placed. Sometimes, my female mantids place their ooths in a spot where they would get hit by water when ever I water my plants. After a while, those ooths look all washed out and may have a few small holes - as if they were old and already hatched. But when spring rolls around, they hatched out (in great numbers too) with no problem. If your ooths were produced by a mantid that naturally hatched out and grew up in your backyard, you shouldn't have to worry too much that the ooth was already hatched. The European mantid became naturalized because the timing of the seasons in your location matches what it needs. If those mantids only required a short incubation period, the species wouldn't have become naturalized because the ooths would hatch in fall and would not make the winter.

I have to point out the "naturally" because as an example, if you incubated a European ooth and it hatched in December, and were to release the instars the next year when the temperature become warm enough, those mantids would already be at least been half grown (or something like that). They would become adults and produced ooths early in the season, and because it's still early in the season, those ooths would have that sufficient duration of warm period during that summer to allow the eggs to hatch in fall or late fall. But it all works out in the end because those mantids will not survive the winter, leaving only those Europeans that hatched along with the seasons. Basically, hatching a ooth early would throw off the natural timing. Of course, there's no problem with it if you are keeping them inside, but if you plan on releasing them, their genes wouldn't get passed on. (this paragraph doesn't apply to you since you hatched your mantids naturally or with the warming of the season and I'm guessing the north warms up later than here in Central Cali; but I just couldn't help but point this out for others on the forum to read)

As for your ooth, don't worry about it already hatching last year because I'm sure it hasn't. As I've said earlier, the first adult Europeans where I am become adults in early July, and by September, some should already have ooths. The cold doesn't really set in until November - which means those early ooths were subject to the October warmth. I don't know how long the incubation period is for a European ooth, but those early European ooths I had in the past never did hatch until the following early spring. Congrats to you for having one hatchling because I have the worst luck with European mantids. A couple of years ago, my European female was mated and produced 3 good sized ooths - but they never even hatched. Sorry for the long post. I couldn't help myself. :)

 
The holes were probably due to the weathering, although you can't dismiss that it was parasitized either. Ooths are subject to wear and tear depending on where they are placed. Sometimes, my female mantids place their ooths in a spot where they would get hit by water when ever I water my plants. After a while, those ooths look all washed out and may have a few small holes - as if they were old and already hatched. But when spring rolls around, they hatched out (in great numbers too) with no problem. If your ooths were produced by a mantid that naturally hatched out and grew up in your backyard, you shouldn't have to worry too much that the ooth was already hatched. The European mantid became naturalized because the timing of the seasons in your location matches what it needs. If those mantids only required a short incubation period, the species wouldn't have become naturalized because the ooths would hatch in fall and would not make the winter.

I have to point out the "naturally" because as an example, if you incubated a European ooth and it hatched in December, and were to release the instars the next year when the temperature become warm enough, those mantids would already be at least been half grown (or something like that). They would become adults and produced ooths early in the season, and because it's still early in the season, those ooths would have that sufficient duration of warm period during that summer to allow the eggs to hatch in fall or late fall. But it all works out in the end because those mantids will not survive the winter, leaving only those Europeans that hatched along with the seasons. Basically, hatching a ooth early would throw off the natural timing. Of course, there's no problem with it if you are keeping them inside, but if you plan on releasing them, their genes wouldn't get passed on. (this paragraph doesn't apply to you since you hatched your mantids naturally or with the warming of the season and I'm guessing the north warms up later than here in Central Cali; but I just couldn't help but point this out for others on the forum to read)

As for your ooth, don't worry about it already hatching last year because I'm sure it hasn't. As I've said earlier, the first adult Europeans where I am become adults in early July, and by September, some should already have ooths. The cold doesn't really set in until November - which means those early ooths were subject to the October warmth. I don't know how long the incubation period is for a European ooth, but those early European ooths I had in the past never did hatch until the following early spring. Congrats to you for having one hatchling because I have the worst luck with European mantids. A couple of years ago, my European female was mated and produced 3 good sized ooths - but they never even hatched. Sorry for the long post. I couldn't help myself. :)
Thanks for all that! :) Very informative! I'd like it right now, but it said I've reached my max for the day, so I'll like is asap!

That was a lot of information. Phew! I'm glad that they probably didn't hatch. It might have been the low house humidity that got the little guy from ootheca 1...

Oh! And exciting news... Oothecas 1 and 2 both have their "flaps" open. I read elsewhere in the forum that this is a sign of hatching, but it doesn't signify when.

 
Thanks for all that! :) Very informative! I'd like it right now, but it said I've reached my max for the day, so I'll like is asap!

That was a lot of information. Phew! I'm glad that they probably didn't hatch. It might have been the low house humidity that got the little guy from ootheca 1...

Oh! And exciting news... Oothecas 1 and 2 both have their "flaps" open. I read elsewhere in the forum that this is a sign of hatching, but it doesn't signify when.
I don't believe the "flaps" being open is any sign of imminent hatching. I have never noticed any such thing.

 
The European mantis (Mantis religiosa) is one of the most common species of the order Mantodea. Originating in southern Europe, the European mantis was introduced to North America in 1899 on a shipment of nursery plants. Now they are found all over north-eastern America (east of the Mississippi River) to Ontario, Canada. The European mantis is usually 2-3 inches in length, and has shades of bright green to tan. It can be distinguished easily by a black-ringed spot beneath the fore coxae .http://www.all-science-fair-projects.com/science_fair_projects_encyclopedia/European_mantis

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I've noticed the black-ringed spot. I have definately noticed these before.

Another post on the website about Chinese mantises says that they have a green stripe down their wing. Not sure if I've seen the Chinese ones before.

Like I've said before - before this fall, I only thought there was one type of mantis. ^_^ Makes sense though, since all I'd seen since I was little were the ones in our area. Green ones were mostly shown in insect books, and when I saw a flower or leaf mantis, I was only curious as to why my mantids never took on this trait. Cute little child me. :p

 
Sad, sad, sad news...

Ootheca 1 had fuzzy mold inside when I opened it. I discarded it.

Ootheca 2's eggs are golden and seem hard/brittle. They are dried out, right?

 
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I guess the first two did already have something go to them first. At least you have the Chinese egg :D

 
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