beckyl92
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the one you took of its under abdomen is a girl. it has 7 segments
im sure it is anyways.
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im sure it is anyways.
PhilinYuma
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O.K. I'm betting $20 US (267 pesos MXN) that Male #2 and #6 are girls. I hope that neither of them is Rick or Phil!
LOL your translations are hilarious, mmm 2 and 6 are girls????!?!?!?! omg omg omg thats so exciting... the only problem is that i just took pics of each of them and then just put them back and didnt check which one was each lol I just assumed they were all guys... they look like boys though!
mmm but wait, they have tiny small segments at the end ... doesnt that mean they are boys?
ok lets do something, if I end up having any girls, Ill give you their ooths
ill only have to figure out how to send to the states
omg omg omg thats so exciting... the only problem is that i just took pics of each of them and then just put them back and didnt check which one was each lol I just assumed they were all guys... they look like boys though!mmm but wait, they have tiny small segments at the end ... doesnt that mean they are boys?
ok lets do something, if I end up having any girls, Ill give you their ooths
ill only have to figure out how to send to the states
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PhilinYuma
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WTG Ming Ming! If you get some ooths, I'll tell you how to send them (a friend told me, lol!)LOL your translations are hilarious, mmm 2 and 6 are girls????!?!?!?!
ok lets do something, if I end up having any girls, Ill give you their ooths
ill only have to figure out how to send to the states
+1
You can't count the segments just looking at the top of the mantis... you have to count them viewing the underside.
LOLthey are urs if u pay the shipping and I end up having girls
but mmm from what you guys said the last time, wasnt it like...
females- 5 segments and the last one is a big triangle
and
males: over 6 segments AND the last one seemes like several segments together?
but mmm from what you guys said the last time, wasnt it like...
females- 5 segments and the last one is a big triangle
and
males: over 6 segments AND the last one seemes like several segments together?
Then why do they have over 6 fragments ? all of them... I need tot ake better pics, I know that, quality isnt the beston the pics but seriously all of the ones I posted have over 6 segments... and the last segment looks like... mmm like a pyramid... a bunch of dif levels but all mm in compact? Gosh I dont know if that makes sense :S
PhilinYuma
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Here.s a suggestion, Ming Ming. We have had this kind of guessing game before on the forum. Last time it was ghosts, I think, and different folks gave different opinions, none of which affected the final outcome. I suggest that you take the best pix that you can of say, ten of your most mature nymphs, clearly showing the underside from the tip of the abdomen to where it joins the thorax. Make sure, this time, that you are able to match the pix with specific mantids. Then, when the ten nymphs become adults, you will be able to show us the nymph pix that you take now and tell us which is which.
It will be much easier to be patient and wait until they molt a time or two more. The reason it's hard to tell right now is... 1) they are small (harder to see/tell) and 2) because over the course of the last few molts to adult, a couple of the very small end segments of the female get "covered up" or "go inside" the third to last segment (I think... I hope I'm remembering and describing this correctly! If I'm not... speak up!!). That segment now becomes the "end" segment, and is fairly large and triangular. But before this happens, it's confusing because the little segments on the end of the females haven't "disappeared" into what will become the last segment yet. Sometimes you can tell by a little "groove" which is apparent in the center of the third to last segment on the underside in females... though it will be absent in the males. You can usually only see it with very close up or macro photos though... I don't think you can readily see it with the naked eye. I wouldn't worry about it... It's more than likely you have a good mix of males and females. Just try to be paitient and they will reveal themselves in time.
The reason it's hard to tell right now is... 1) they are small (harder to see/tell) and 2) because over the course of the last few molts to adult, a couple of the very small end segments of the female get "covered up" or "go inside" the third to last segment (I think... I hope I'm remembering and describing this correctly! If I'm not... speak up!!). That segment now becomes the "end" segment, and is fairly large and triangular. But before this happens, it's confusing because the little segments on the end of the females haven't "disappeared" into what will become the last segment yet. Sometimes you can tell by a little "groove" which is apparent in the center of the third to last segment on the underside in females... though it will be absent in the males. You can usually only see it with very close up or macro photos though... I don't think you can readily see it with the naked eye. I wouldn't worry about it... It's more than likely you have a good mix of males and females. Just try to be paitient and they will reveal themselves in time.
beckyl92
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your probably getting confused because the girls have 7 segments. this confused me with my dead leafs x) i thought they were all male! turns out i have 2 male 2 female and both of the females have 7 segments.
Fully grown wings that cover the abdomen (both male and female) may be considered as one of the signs of sexual maturity. You can also determine the sex by counting the number of segments on the abdomen. In adult males, you can see eight segments and in adult females, 6-7 are visible. There is one more distinguishing feature between male and female –the antenna. Males have feathery antenna and females have short and thin antenna.
They could be all male. In the wild there are more mantids, so there are more males!
ismart
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That could also be said for females as well. The male to female ratio should be 50/50.
ABbuggin
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PhilinYuma
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Yeah. A number of male insects, beetles, moths, mantids, etc, have featherry or knobbed antennae to increase the area that can detect the females' pheromones. The ones that get to the female sooner are more likely to pass on their genes.This fact is true with the Empusidae mantids.
I guess Ill have to wait after all. Thanks for the link Rick. Im still convinced I have more guys that girls
Im gonna wait for another week, wqait for more to molt and be L5 and Ill remember to take the pic from below and check which pic match each one. Ill keep you all updated! Thanks so much!!!You may have more of one but you don't have just one. Sexing should be very easy at L4.
