At What Instar To Put Mantises In An Aquarium?

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At what instar should mantises be in an aquarium?  My mantids are at L3 and L4 and I have their 10-gallon aquarium ready and waiting for them and are anxious to put them in there.  Is it still too early or are they ready?

Thank you :)

 
@plainone Too many questions are raised to give you a accurate response.

What species are they? What feeder/prey are they eating? Are you keeping them communal? Or is the aquarium equipped with dividers? Will you be feeding them in a separate smaller container like a deli-cup (as feeders usually just get lost in such a large tank)?

...And whatever else I am forgetting to ask that is related. ;)

 
I take them out and feed them now because they still need to be handfed.  Yes, I am keeping them communally.  I have dead leaf mantises.

 
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Hmm, well, judging from your pet pictures on fb you have ghosts, not dead leaf mantids, either way I keep both my dead leaf and ghost the same way. I have them in 6 inch display cases, they're both males and both are subadults, so they have plenty of room in there. I only use large enclosures for my giant species, since it might be hard for small mantids to find prey in such a large area, like CosbyArt said. This is what I personally do :)

 
@plainone For communal mantids you can add them to the tank at anytime, for best results they should be housed together as soon as possible (even from the point they hatch). Even with the most communal mantid species, and with plenty of room and feeders, cannibalism still occurs occasionally (just thought you should be warned).

The only issues with waiting on the bigger tank is making the lid fruit fly escape proof for smaller nymphs, and to ensure the mantids find their prey (as they can easily hide in bigger habitats); otherwise, the mantids enjoy the extra room from the start. ;)

 
so its just ghost ,gaint devils and dead leaf that are communal?
Personally I never have done a communal setup as there is always cannibalism problems with any species sooner or later, so I don't bother to keep track of so called communal species.

As I mentioned above.. Even with the most communal mantid species, and with plenty of room and feeders, cannibalism still occurs even if just occasionally - I do not feel that the want for a communal setup is worth the risk to pets.

From the three you listed only Ghosts (Phyllocrania paradoxa) are called communal (and listed as one of the most communal), but dead mantises still occur.

The Dead leaf mantids (Deroplatys desiccata or Deroplatys lobata) have conflicting reports, some say just to L4 (half grown), and another says if you separate and keep them by genders (male/female) they have had some success (this is not just a mix of mantids but of the same gender and same instar (size) for any communal success).

The other "gaint devils" I can only assume with the word devil you are talking about the Devil's flower mantis (Idolomantis diabolica). If that is the case I have no idea, they are a expert mantid husbandry skill species only - and at a cost of $50-$75 per mantid if you can find them, I have not heard of anyone keeping them together due to costs and difficult finding, or getting them to breeding age without worrying about cannibalism.

 
I see thank you and yes I did mean Idolomantis diabolica do you know were I could find one?
Sorry but as mentioned the species requires expert care, and I feel helping would be the wrong thing to do.

 
Yea I know not looking to buy just want more info about the species  :p
As given above, the care sheet for the species, it has lots of information on the species. Also take a look at LAME's mantid thread as he lots of photos and details of the species as he raised them.

Sellers only list the instar, purchase price, and stock photo for the species - so it would be of no use for info anyway. ;)

 
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