Calling All Mantid Injury Diagnosticians - Report At Once

[gripen]

Honey is a mild antibacterial. Believing this was an abdominal breech, it was a better than nothing.

ok maybe so. But you are not a trained insect physician. I would say more often than not you would be doing more harm than good.

 

[Malakyoma]

ok maybe so. But you are not a trained insect physician. I would say more often than not you would be doing more harm than good.

Leave him alone Gripen its not like he's doing surgery. If you go back through the health issues threads where there has been an infection or rupture people sy to use honey.

 

[gripen]

Leave him alone Gripen its not like he's doing surgery. If you go back through the health issues threads where there has been an infection or rupture people sy to use honey.

All I am saying is it is probably doing more harm than good. let the mantis deal with the wound by itself. It will most likely do a better job than you will.

 

[Malakyoma]

All I am saying is it is probably doing more harm than good. let the mantis deal with the wound by itself. It will most likely do a better job than you will.

Or it wont be able to do anything about it and die of infection, when just a little honey would have prevented that. You're allowed to help your bugs.

 

[gripen]

Or it wont be able to do anything about it and die of infection, when just a little honey would have prevented that. You're allowed to help your bugs.

All I am saying is honey is probably detrimental unless eaten. I was not trying to make a complaint about Digger's willingness to help his mantids.

 

[Malakyoma]

All I am saying is honey is probably detrimental unless eaten. I was not trying to make a complaint about Digger's willingness to help his mantids.

Then go back through the Health Issues section about ruptures and infections. There are numerous suggestions to spread honey on it because its a natural disinfectant that holds back infection. spreading honey on a wound is the right thing to do.

 

[Digger]

Gripen: Charlie Molan's article and research may help you understand the sensibility and sound clinical pathology of utilizing honey for wound healing. That goes for inverts as well.

http://www.worldwidewounds.com/2001/november/Molan/honey-as-topical-agent.html

Cheers,

Digger

 

[patrickfraser]

All I am saying is honey is probably detrimental unless eaten. I was not trying to make a complaint about Digger's willingness to help his mantids.

And you come to this with what evidence/proof? Or is it just you are right and others are wrong?

 

[gripen]

Gripen: Charlie Molan's article and research may help you understand the sensibility and sound clinical pathology of utilizing honey for wound healing. That goes for inverts as well.

http://www.worldwidewounds.com/2001/november/Molan/honey-as-topical-agent.html

Cheers,

Digger

Thank you Digger that was very enlightening.

 

[gripen]

And you come to this with what evidence/proof? Or is it just you are right and others are wrong?

That is generally how I operate.

 

[angelofdeathzz]

Gripen means well, he deals in fact not maybes or hopeful wishes which sometimes can upset people, no harm no fowl.

But if I really thought infection was going to be an issue I would use hydrogen peroxide on a q-tip twice a day not honey, its gentle and safe plus if you see alot of foam you know there is an infection to begin with, not just a guess or "I wonder if".

But on the other hand I never get sick/infected mantis they're either alive and healthy, mismolted or dead of old age, well plus the few that get their head eaten off for the greater good, Haha...

Now don't hate! just my two cents, take it or leave it. :whistling:

 

[Sticky]

I have a female who was slightly injured by a male. She now has black growing where he had gripped her too hard I am guessing.

Would peroxide really be ok to use on her? It would not kill her? I remember someone told us how when he did not know better because he was new to bugs that he put alcohol on his mantis. It died some days later.

 

[glock34girl]

Peroxide? Okay, this is just me brainstorming because I am not sure how it works with bugs but it makes dogs vomit. Myself, it does sting, but I know I am a wuss. My horse, she would freak when we cleaned her wound with it. I'am not sure if it was because it stung, though she did try to kick out, or if it is just quite cold. In any rate, I'd be curious to know if anyone has actually put peroxide on a manits before and if so, were you concerned at all with them injesting it? I know they don't experience pain and such the way humans do... hmm. Just me asking friendly questions though. Ironically, we did wrap a horse injury with honey once. It was a nicely healed wound. At any rate, I am glad your mantis is just fat with stretchmarks, like me.

 

[ScienceGirl]

If you do re-apply the honey, try not deluting it with water first. My reasons:

• Honey is antibacterial, but diluting may cause it to be less powerful.
• The bees concentrate it from nectar for a reason: honey collects extra moisture, and if it has above a certain percentage, it will ferment!

 

[Reptiliatus]

I have experienced this. You may call me a fool but in the same way a man would apply a tiny cut of tissue to a shaving cut, do the same to the wounds. The will form a "scap". Just make sure to keep the mantis dry (don't mist it directly) to avoid infection. Judging by the photo, the specimen isn't an adult so when it is read to molt it will do so without a problem shedding away the tissue that was stuck to the old exo skeleton. Trust me, this works.

Do this if the wounds are still bleeding.

 

[angelofdeathzz]

Peroxide?

Peroxide will foam up extensively if there is a infection and not so much if there's none. If it makes you feel any better I use rubbing alcohol on any larger cuts I get just to make sure, I smashed my thumb with a hammer pretty bad one time and the skin peeled back like a grape skin, and yep I soaked it every day in alcohol, never did get infected but of coarse I don't suggest you do it for a mantis or yourself for that mater unless you have a very high pain threshold. :1eye:

 

[agent A]

Peroxide will foam up extensively if there is a infection and not so much if there's none. If it makes you feel any better I use rubbing alcohol on any larger cuts I get just to make sure, I smashed my thumb with a hammer pretty bad one time and the skin peeled back like a grape skin, and yep I soaked it every day in alcohol, never did get infected but of coarse I don't suggest you do it for a mantis or yourself for that mater unless you have a very high pain threshold. :1eye:

And i might lose my breakfast now

Anyways the reason H2O2 foams is its breaking down via the following reaction:

2H2O2->2H2O + O2

 

[MantidBro]

Those markings are not wounds, they're the design of the species.

Here's a photo as proof: http://www.reptipic.de/data/media/10/mantiden042.jpg

 

[glock34girl]

Peroxide will foam up extensively if there is a infection and not so much if there's none. If it makes you feel any better I use rubbing alcohol on any larger cuts I get just to make sure, I smashed my thumb with a hammer pretty bad one time and the skin peeled back like a grape skin, and yep I soaked it every day in alcohol, never did get infected but of coarse I don't suggest you do it for a mantis or yourself for that mater unless you have a very high pain threshold. :1eye:

Good gravy! That reminds me of a horse trainer I worked with that tricked her boyfriend into putting alcohol on his saddle sores!!!!!!! Lol

 

[glock34girl]

Peroxide will foam up extensively if there is a infection and not so much if there's none. If it makes you feel any better I use rubbing alcohol on any larger cuts I get just to make sure, I smashed my thumb with a hammer pretty bad one time and the skin peeled back like a grape skin, and yep I soaked it every day in alcohol, never did get infected but of coarse I don't suggest you do it for a mantis or yourself for that mater unless you have a very high pain threshold. :1eye:

Good gravy! That reminds me of a horse trainer I worked with that tricked her boyfriend into putting alcohol on his saddle sores!!!!!!! Lol