carolina ooth questions.

[elf run1]

well today i got a carolina mantis ooth. and was wondering about a few things.

(1). how much misting

(2). good temp.

(3). fridge time req.(and if any if not please say.)

(4) about hatch time and # of nymphs

ty for taking the time to awnser my questions.

 

[ZoeRipper]

If I'm wrong please correct me guys!

1. Once a day

2. Around 75-ish degrees (fahrenheit), room temp or a little warmer.

3. It doesn't require diapause

4. You can expect about 20-60 nymphs. Possibly less.

 

[PhilinYuma]

If I'm wrong please correct me guys!1. Once a day

2. Around 75-ish degrees (fahrenheit), room temp or a little warmer.

3. It doesn't require diapause

4. You can expect about 20-60 nymphs. Possibly less.

Good answer, except that like I did when I started, you seem to confuse diapause and "breaking diapause". Diapause, in mantids that overwinter in this way, is brought on by the shortening photoperiod when the days draw in during the fall. The eggs essentially stop developing. A period of cold weather -- around freezing or below -- breaks the diapause and the eggs start slowly developing so that they can hatch in the spring.

If a mantis lays an ooth in yr bug room that gets an invariable twleve or more hours of light a day it will not diapause. Placing it in a refrigerater above freezing simply slows down ovagenesis (I just made that word up. Pretty cool, huh?).

Zoe: There is no way that I can mention this without getting off topic, and I am too tired to create a new thread. I just wanted to say that I like yr new pic and to wish you the very best of luck during the next four weeks; I know that this is yr busiest time of the year.

Oh, and please tell Santa that I was good this year. Thanx.

 

[ZoeRipper]

Good answer, except that like I did when I started, you seem to confuse diapause and "breaking diapause". Diapause, in mantids that overwinter in this way, is brought on by the shortening photoperiod when the days draw in during the fall. The eggs essentially stop developing. A period of cold weather -- around freezing or below -- breaks the diapause and the eggs start slowly developing so that they can hatch in the spring.If a mantis lays an ooth in yr bug room that gets an invariable twleve or more hours of light a day it will not diapause. Placing it in a refrigerater above freezing simply slows down ovagenesis (I just made that word up. Pretty cool, huh?).

Zoe: There is no way that I can mention this without getting off topic, and I am too tired to create a new thread. I just wanted to say that I like yr new pic and to wish you the very best of luck during the next four weeks; I know that this is yr busiest time of the year.

Oh, and please tell Santa that I was good this year. Thanx.

I don't quite understand what you mean, Phil. Does the ooth require the diapause and/or breaking diapause? Or can it just be incubated like normal? With no cold and just room temp/slighty above?

And it took me a minute to get what you were talking about. Har har. I'm going to pretend that it was a compliment of my pixie-like good looks.

 

[Rick]

I don't quite understand what you mean, Phil. Does the ooth require the diapause and/or breaking diapause? Or can it just be incubated like normal? With no cold and just room temp/slighty above?And it took me a minute to get what you were talking about. Har har. I'm going to pretend that it was a compliment of my pixie-like good looks.

YOu don't need to know all the fancy talk. All you need to know is that it doesn't need a cold period which I believe I told you already.

 

[ZoeRipper]

YOu don't need to know all the fancy talk. All you need to know is that it doesn't need a cold period which I believe I told you already.

You did tell me, and I remembered it

 

[PhilinYuma]

YOu don't need to know all the fancy talk. All you need to know is that it doesn't need a cold period which I believe I told you already.

"Fancy talk?" "All you need to know?"

I think that you are quite smart enough to understand the difference between "diapause" and cold period, Zoe!

You were right in saying that Stagmomantis carolina doesn't go into diapause -- but a cold period and diapause, at leat in mantid ooths, are not the same thing at all.

Chilling an ooth at above freezing (freeze it and you'll probably kill it), causes quiescence, a passive process in which embryogenesis (thats's the real word!) is slowed down. Doing this somewhat simulates a mild winter ouitside. Some people, including Rick, who has a lot of experience with this technique, claim that the longer incubation time produces better hatches and sturdier fry in species like S. carolina. I have no reason to doubt them.

Diapause in mantids is a dynamic (stuff is going on!) process and overwintering strategy which delays hatching until after there has been a substantial cold period, which ends or breaks the process and the weather has started to warm. The nymphs then emerge into a warm environment with plenty of food.

There are a lot of really cool things about this process. One is that it works in different ways for different insects. In some moth chrysalids, diapause is induced by the cold and broken by the lengthening photoperiod in thew spring. In the grasshoppers by me, the nymphs go into diapause when the grass dries out and there is no nutrition in it. Their growth slows way down until the monsoon comes.

Another is that simple carbohadrates (glucose) in each baby mantis egg, are converted into substances including sorbitol, which acts as antifreeze and stops the fluid in the egg from crystalizing at temps below freezing! Is that cool or what?

I hope that that helps. And yes, I thought that yr Christmas elf look was very cute. Remember that girl elf in that movie, "The Santa Claus"?

Rick. I don't think that you have ever been a true believer in diapause, even after Christian's explanation. Don't make me come up there with a stick. I shall just get injured and you will feel guilty about hurting a poor, crazed old man. :lol:

 

[ZoeRipper]

"Fancy talk?" "All you need to know?" I think that you are quite smart enough to understand the difference between "diapause" and cold period, Zoe!

You were right in saying that Stagmomantis carolina doesn't go into diapause -- but a cold period and diapause, at leat in mantid ooths, are not the same thing at all.

Chilling an ooth at above freezing (freeze it and you'll probably kill it), causes quiescence, a passive process in which embryogenesis (thats's the real word!) is slowed down. Doing this somewhat simulates a mild winter ouitside. Some people, including Rick, who has a lot of experience with this technique, claim that the longer incubation time produces better hatches and sturdier fry in species like S. carolina. I have no reason to doubt them.

Diapause in mantids is a dynamic (stuff is going on!) process and overwintering strategy which delays hatching until after there has been a substantial cold period, which ends or breaks the process and the weather has started to warm. The nymphs then emerge into a warm environment with plenty of food.

There are a lot of really cool things about this process. One is that it works in different ways for different insects. In some moth chrysalids, diapause is induced by the cold and broken by the lengthening photoperiod in thew spring. In the grasshoppers by me, the nymphs go into diapause when the grass dries out and there is no nutrition in it. Their growth slows way down until the monsoon comes.

Another is that simple carbohadrates (glucose) in each baby mantis egg, are converted into substances including sorbitol, which acts as antifreeze and stops the fluid in the egg from crystalizing at temps below freezing! Is that cool or what?

I hope that that helps. And yes, I thought that yr Christmas elf look was very cute. Remember that girl elf in that movie, "The Santa Claus"?

Rick. I don't think that you have ever been a true believer in diapause, even after Christian's explanation. Don't make me come up there with a stick. I shall just get injured and you will feel guilty about hurting a poor, crazed old man. :lol:

Phil, are you an encyclopedia?

I think I understood about 40% of that.

Maybe.

And I just got my S carolina ooth today so I'm a happy girl!

Ah yes, the little girl elf from the Santa Claus.

Wasn't she always trying to perfect her hot chocolate?