Common name needed
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PhilinYuma
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Iris oratorio = Mediterranean mantis =
MantidLord
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ABbuggin
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Am I late, I. oratoria is the mediterranean and I believe they live in NY. hey does anyone know the common name for the idolomorpha species?
MantidLord
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New York!!?? Since when? I. oratoria are desert species and the last time I heard they went as far east as Texas. How could they bee in New York?
I'm sorry, this is utter rubbish. Firstly, Creobroter species are from Asia, so C. meleagris are not "East African Flower Mantis". And dont provide me some rubbish and call it "references" or give me the "i read it somewhere, it must be true". The identification of Creobroter is already messy and difficult as it is, we really don't need someone who has absoultely no idea to make things even more difficult.
sorry rick for ruining your thread.
PhilinYuma
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Idolomorpha lateralis is known in the hobby in England as the cryptic grass mantis.
No Iris oratoria in N.Y. except, perhaps in a zoo. They are found in Texas, but they apparently moved to my part of the world, S.W. Arizona, from
S. California.
No Iris oratoria in N.Y. except, perhaps in a zoo. They are found in Texas, but they apparently moved to my part of the world, S.W. Arizona, from
S. California.
Ian
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RE the Creobroter meleagris, the guy that collected them from South India was fairly adament that they were indeed meleagris.
PhilinYuma
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It's currently a valid species. No reason why it shouldn't be a valid mantis! The fact remains that the ability to judge exactly what species a mantis is defeats the hobbyist, particularly if the Dx is based, say, on an examination of the male genitalia. Frequently, even if the hobbyist is able to accurately identify a species, he may find, after the fact, that the binomial has been "revised". Frequently the sources that are accessible to the hobbyist are not kept up to date. The Australian gvt list of the Mantodea still includes Archimantis minor (Giglio-Tos) as a valid species, even though G.A. Milledge declared it a junior synonym of A. sobrina (Saussere) twelve years ago (Memoirs of the Museum of Victoria; 0814-1827;50(2): 1-63).
In the hands of those who are expert in systematics, a valid binomial is definitive, but for the rest of us, confronted with a new mantis, accurate identification is pretty much out of the question and "common names" serve a useful purpose. As an example of this, I am currently incubating two ooths of the New Zealand mantis, Orthodera novaezealandiae. But is it? Up to a few decades ago, this species, occuring in New Zealand (surprise!) was known by the name that it still carries in Australia, Orthodera ministralis, and I have no idea which I have. A book which goes into painful detail on why the New Zealand mantis got its new name is on the way to me from Australia, but I doubt that I shall be able to key it out without a microscope.
In both England and the US, all birds and all butterflies anfd many beetles have standardized common names. I see no reason why this cannot be done with mantids, and indeed, the English mantid forum has compiled just such a list. It is not perfect or complete by any means, but it is a good start.
C. meleagris is not in stock. It's from the Philippines, but very probably just the same as gemmatus.
As with common names, it's absolutely useless to use them in mantids (or, in every invert), particularly as in the Creobroter example. Most of those species occur in more countries than the "common" (rather: invented) name might suggest. But hey, fighting aginst windmills of ignorance makes me tired after a while. Do what you want, but don't expect other people to follow this.
As with common names, it's absolutely useless to use them in mantids (or, in every invert), particularly as in the Creobroter example. Most of those species occur in more countries than the "common" (rather: invented) name might suggest. But hey, fighting aginst windmills of ignorance makes me tired after a while. Do what you want, but don't expect other people to follow this.
MantidLord
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Ntsees
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(sorry, kinda late) Yeah, they are established in the US. If they don't agree, they can come to Fresno California and the FIRST mantid they find will be the Mediterranean mantid. It's just too common here.
Not sure if this is in reference to me or not. I will continue to use the most accepted common name at this event. Many of the visitiors to the table are children and the first year we used latin names and spent 12 hours explaining the names to children and regular adults as well. These are not scientists visiting the display. You might get one or two people that whole time who are experts.
No that wasn't a reference to you. As I pointed out in the other thread, I see no problem in using the common names that already exist when talking to kids or people outside the hobby. Most mantids occurring today in the US have one and as you are not allow to show other species the issue isn't relevant here. I just think it is better to use binomials between hobbyists and to not try to invent ridiculous new names for all the species appearing in the hobby.
Fisherman_Brazil
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Any common name for them? please advise
Metallyticus fallax
Metallyticus pallipes
Metallyticus semiaeneus
Metallyticus splendidus
Metallyticus violaceus
Metallyticus fallax
Metallyticus pallipes
Metallyticus semiaeneus
Metallyticus splendidus
Metallyticus violaceus
