Empusa Pennata

[gripen]

Based on the available info, and breeding info I am leaning on these not being as difficult as some have made them out to be. I do understand location being a factor but as far as I know their entire region hits a cold snap I could be wrong but given that they may be in locations that do contribute to a diapause and some that dont wouldn't the species be ok with out one in captivity?

Theoretically yes. You could go without a diapause. I would contact Yen since he has experience with fasciata.

As for breeding it is not the actual mating but getting the ooths to hatch which is the hard part.

 

[brancsikia339]

Theoretically yes. You could go without a diapause. I would contact Yen since he has experience with fasciata.

As for breeding it is not the actual mating but getting the ooths to hatch which is the hard part.

Yen said in his log that his ooths hatched within the little time of two weeks. Really incredible. Maybe they dont need that much warmth to hatch, since theoretically the ones that need to hatch in the spring would hatch during a semi cold time period

 

[Bug Trader]

I plan to give them a try, I would like to keep two pair differently and see.

 

[glock34girl]

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[Mime454]

I think that Malakyoma is on to something. How can these still be L5/6 if winter is ending right now? They won't see a diapause for 6 months and they should be adult by then certainly.

Since the ooths hatch super quick, it would seem that their children will be around subadult in 6 months. Maybe there are 2 cycles per year. One where the ooths diapause then hatch, then one where the subadults need diapause then mate?

 

[gripen]

I think that Malakyoma is on to something. How can these still be L5/6 if winter is ending right now? They won't see a diapause for 6 months and they should be adult by then certainly.

Since the ooths hatch super quick, it would seem that their children will be around subadult in 6 months. Maybe there are 2 cycles per year. One where the ooths diapause then hatch, then one where the subadults need diapause then mate?

They could maybe from an area where no diapuase is needed. That would mean there would be no set times for adults to breed and nymphs to hatch. IE ooths adults and nymphs at the same time.

 

[Mime454]

They could maybe from an area where no diapuase is needed. That would mean there would be no set times for adults to breed and nymphs to hatch. IE ooths adults and nymphs at the same time.

Is the weather really that much different for Spain, Portugal, France and Italy? That's not much difference there as far as position goes.

 

[gripen]

Is the weather really that much different for Spain, Portugal, France and Italy? That's not much difference there as far as position goes.

On Islands yes.

 

[Malakyoma]

On Islands yes.

not really. and regardless of whether they're from a warm area or a cold one, spring is kicking in. Regardless of where they're from, they couldn't need a diapause later in life because none of their region will be cold when they're subadult.

 

[psyconiko]

Yen said in his log that his ooths hatched within the little time of two weeks. Really incredible. Maybe they dont need that much warmth to hatch, since theoretically the ones that need to hatch in the spring would hatch during a semi cold time period

Ooths are laid in june and incubate during the fisrt weeks of july.I am talking about the Empusa pennata from France.They do not hatch during a semi cold period.

 

[psyconiko]

Is the weather really that much different for Spain, Portugal, France and Italy? That's not much difference there as far as position goes.

Yes weather can be very cold in Portugal and France during winter.Way less in Spain or in he South of Italy.

 

[Mime454]

Yes weather can be very cold in Portugal and France during winter.Way less in Spain or in he South of Italy.

How will these mantids in the wild get a diapause? It's spring in Spain and Portugal. I checked the forecast for those places and they're in the 50-60's FI don't think that all three if these premises can be true:

-These mantids are wild caught

-They are L5/L6 now

-they would need a diapause at sub adult in 1-2 molts.

 

[psyconiko]

Check the temps in summer now. that big difference between these seasons is enough for a diapause.

 

[Mime454]

I read that the average spring temperature in Spain is 61°F. Summer is 90°F. Is 61° good enough for a diapause then? If so, that seems a lot more doable than 50°F.

 

[gripen]

I read that the average spring temperature in Spain is 61°F. Summer is 90°F. Is 61° good enough for a diapause then? If so, that seems a lot more doable than 50°F.

We are talking about winter not spring. And again not ALL pennata go through diapause.

 

[psyconiko]

summer is 90 F° in Spain haha...Just like any big enough country there is different type of climate.Spain has semi-arid,mediterannean and even alpine climates.

You can find sunspiders,scorpions and lots of inverts.Believe me it is very hot in summer in Spain,France and Portugal.

 

[Mime454]

We are talking about winter not spring. And again not ALL pennata go through diapause.

Do you have a source for this? I'm not trying be obstinate, but every care related page online says they need a diapause.

 

[gripen]

Here you go

http://mantidforum.net/forums/index.php?showtopic=14921&hl=+empusa%20+pennata&page=2

 

[Mime454]

Here you go

http://mantidforum.net/forums/index.php?showtopic=14921&hl=+empusa +pennata&page=2

Read that thread. Looks like you're right. I guess I won't be diapausing mine unless someone can convince me it's necessary.