European or chinese?

[DeadInTheBasement]

how would i ID wild Mantis religiosa and Tenodera aridifolia sinensis nymphs between each other?

 

[hibiscusmile]

That's hard when they are nymphs, do u know when they hatched? The Religosa are a lighter color than the Chinese & they seem to perch in a flatter position than the Chinese.

 

[DeadInTheBasement]

no... i just caught them today and they are about 3 inches long

 

[Rick]

The European has a black spot in its "armpits"

 

[Asa]

Yeah, like a cats eye.

 

[Orin]

The European has a black spot in its "armpits"

On a green nymph, on a brown nymph the spots are medium brown or purplish. Tenodera doesn't have any markings like it.

 

[Asa]

The European has a black spot in its "armpits"

On a green nymph, on a brown nymph the spots are medium brown or purplish. Tenodera doesn't have any markings like it.

It appears to be more random than that. I had a brown nymph that had black 'armpits'.

 

[Orin]

It appears to be more random than that. I had a brown nymph that had black 'armpits'.

Did it have the white marking too (normally doesn't occur on brown form)

There's always some variation- like your 6 winged fruit flies. :wink:

 

[Asa]

Only a bit of the white marking.

 

[DeadInTheBasement]

all of these have black spots on the "armpits" and the also all have a few black spots all over the "arm"........

 

[Asa]

Then you have European.

 

[DeadInTheBasement]

here is a photo. how big do these guys get?

http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1222/852923...3bfe47d.jpg?v=0

 

[chrisbrock]

Do Europeans live in the wilds of North Carolina? My mantis (whom I've always thought to be Chinese) has black spots in the "armpits".

 

[DeadInTheBasement]

i think both wild european and chinese are all over the country...

 

[Rick]

i think both wild european and chinese are all over the country...

No. No european around here.

 

[Asa]

I have European around my area, don't see them very often. Of course I don't see mantids that often at all.

 

[chrisbrock]

I'll try to get a camera this weekend and post a pic of Manny.