EVERYONE PLEASE READ! stagmo/brunner confusion/justice

[agent A]

ok so here's the story

last year i saw in the biology lab's cupboards a jar with a dead mantis

i couldnt see it clearly in the jar but the lid said stagmomantis

i thought "one day i will identify the stagmomantis species!"

so after GSA today, i walked by the AP bio teacher's class and she was in there, so we went into the bio lab and she opened the cupboard and i looked at a long, thin, yellow dead female mantis in the jar of fluid

at first i thought "stagmomantis floridensis" but she had feathery antennae, only 1 pair of reddish wings, and a jagged edged thorax

it was NOT a stagmomantis at all!! it was brunneria borealis!!

i brought it up on google and she let me write brunneria over the stagmo label

so at least i got to give this old (at least 20 years) specimen a proper identification

but i worry abt the students before me who saw this and are now thinking of a brunneria as a stagmomantis

were brunneria and stagmomantis ever the same genus? who could make such a stupid mistake?

 

[happy1892]

LOL! People make many more mistakes on that than they do not! I might be exaggerating though. I do not know if B. borealis was ever in the same genus as any Stagmomantis.

 

[patrickfraser]

I don't think anybody's education was compromised by this mislabeled mantis in a jar, in a cupboard. Nor do I think anybody's education is going to be much improved by a "name change". Just saying. Fault finders have a way of finding faults unseen by most others (even when hidden in a cupboard for "at least 20 years"). Good call, Poindexter :smarty:

 

[Rick]

Good on you for correcting your school. I wouldn't worry about past students and what they thought. Most likely they have forgotten or didn't care in the first place.

 

[agent A]

I don't think anybody's education was compromised by this mislabeled mantis in a jar, in a cupboard. Nor do I think anybody's education is going to be much improved by a "name change". Just saying. Fault finders have a way of finding faults unseen by most others (even when hidden in a cupboard for "at least 20 years"). Good call, Poindexter :smarty:

I am not a fault finder! I simply intended to find out what Stagmomantis species I was looking at to feed my own curiosity and in the process I discovered the error

Do u think I'm gonna go crazy trying to prove what's clearly brunneria to be a new stagmo species? :lol:

 

[patrickfraser]

I am not a fault finder! I simply intended to find out what Stagmomantis species I was looking at to feed my own curiosity and in the process I discovered the error

Do u think I'm gonna go crazy trying to prove what's clearly brunneria to be a new stagmo species? :lol:

It was obviously "fault" you found from your remark, "who could make such a stupid mistake?" You are the FIRST person in 20 years to discover this. What does THAT tell you? You are excellent at finding fault that everyone else has missed for 20 years. Don't get me started.

 

[agent A]

It was obviously "fault" you found from your remark, "who could make such a stupid mistake?" You are the FIRST person in 20 years to discover this. What does THAT tell you? You are excellent at finding fault that everyone else has missed for 20 years. Don't get me started.

U say that like its a bad thing

It makes me unique though

Keep in mind OTHER THAN THE PEOPLE WHO PRESERVED THE THING I'm probably the only student that school has ever seen in 20 years who knows how to identify mantises

And idk how many people actually saw it before me since the teachers don't take her out often

Maybe they caught the mistake and r keeping hush hush abt it :shifty:

But the point is this

brunneria r parthenogenic, have only 1 pair of wings, and have feathery antennae

Don't even get me started on size shape and wing proportion

But I am kinda upset, I was looking forward to identifying a stagmo and having a nice challenge their (I can't remove it from the preservation fluid) but instead I saw right away it was not Stagmomantis

So am I more observant or obsessive than others? I'll have to ask my GC who couldn't see me today cause she had a meeting

So I'm sorry if u find me to be a bad person for noticing a mistake and correcting it, I'm just trying to be ambitious and help my future teacher learn and improve her vast biological knowledge

 

[angelofdeathzz]

They should rename your school for that one, thanks for the important update.

 

[agent A]

They should rename your school for that one, thanks for the important update.

Lol funny but the teacher said I made an important scientific discovery

It leads me to wonder what else is mislabeled? I don't know abt jellyfish or sea urchins and there r tons of these jars (probably 300) with various organisms and fetuses that could be mislabeled

But it's science, and the purpose of science is to improve on things, we find faults to correct them (some things have to be corrected such as medical procedures or methods of transporting chemicals) to prevent a hazard

So sure, me finding this and fixing it isn't going to change the world, but its still more than abt 75% of my schools students will do in their high school years <_<

 

[patrickfraser]

The rest could care less. :lol: It's not like you cured cancer.

I wouldn't be surprised if you corrected the grammar on the bathroom walls, either.

 

[agent A]

The rest could care less. :lol: It's not like you cured cancer.

I wouldn't be surprised if you corrected the grammar on the bathroom walls, either.

Not yet...

But to be so sharp in observation at 16 is an implication of what is to come...

I will have to learn how to correctly point out anything I observe so I don't seem condescending or offensive, but its something I can work on

I have to make do with what I have

I have myself and the way I was born

And just to be nice abt it, I will contribute an actual dead stagmo to the school (when I get one lol) so they don't lose what they thought they had for 20+ years

 

[angelofdeathzz]

Sometimes underware at boarding schools and the military gets mislabeled and the you might have to tuck you skivvies in your shoes. inch: I need to do more research...

 

[patrickfraser]

You have had 16 years to change what you were at birth. "Born this Way" is a song by Lady Gaga and is no excuse for an offensive demeanor.

"I will have to learn how to correctly point out anything I observe so I don't seem condescending or offensive, but its something I can work on".

Get to work on it, there's no time like the present, because 99% of the world is probably not interested in your observations in the first place. Not to mention YOUR interpretations of them. People do see things differently, you know. Here's a good quote, "When you change the way you look at things, the things you look at change." Change BEGINS with you.

...And I'm done.

 

[happy1892]

Nobody who has seen those mantids would make a mistake like that! Why would a person call it a Stagmomantis when he does not know anything about it! The person who called it Stagmomantis did not know about mantids... and that person did not even write down what Stagmomantis it was right? Wow, 20+ years! Haha!

 

[happy1892]

I have seen people have no idea how a Stagmomantis carolina adult female is different from an adult Tenodera sinensis female! They thought they were the same thing! Oh, and everybody exaggerates on the size of the mantis they have seen.... There are no mantids around here that are 25cm long, extremely unlikely I guess.

 

[happy1892]

I am not angry. I just have a lot of energy now LOL!

 

[happy1892]

You have had 16 years to change what you were at birth. "Born this Way" is a song by Lady Gaga and is no excuse for an offensive demeanor.

"I will have to learn how to correctly point out anything I observe so I don't seem condescending or offensive, but its something I can work on".

Get to work on it, there's no time like the present, because 99% of the world is probably not interested in your observations in the first place. Not to mention YOUR interpretations of them. People do see things differently, you know. Here's a good quote, "When you change the way you look at things, the things you look at change." Change BEGINS with you.

...And I'm done.

"When you change the way you look at things, the things you look at change" Yeah, that is right. Lights, lines, blinks all look different if you look at them differently and they look like different patterns! Oh, and be formal and use big words, I have heard that that keeps people from getting angry.

 

[agent A]

here's the problem i see

if a simple mislabeling of a mantis can be found in a bio lab, imagine what things could be mislabeled in the chem lab

i do a lab each week in the chem lab and a lot of those poisonous acids and the aquaous solutions look the same, a clear liquid

imagine, if someone can confuse 2 mantises for each other when their differences are clear as day if u take a few minutes to actually look at them, how can you distinguish 2 clear liquids from each other? maybe the fountains at school release HCl instead of H2O...

 

[patrickfraser]

Good luck in your next chem lab. :devil: