I also think that enclosure size does factor into the growth potential of a mantis. I watched a documentary on TV about dinosaurs and there were a group of dinosaurs that lived on an island. These dinosaurs, which were the same species as their counterparts on land, didn't reach nearly the size as the ones did on the mainland. Fossil evidence supports this, however another observation I've made, which could be wrong, is that humans on smaller pieces of land grow shorter. For example, the average Japanese person doesn't get very tall, where as Chinese in their larger land-mass, can get tall. I really don't know for certain, but it seems logical to assume they do grow smaller in small enclosures. Perhaps there is someway to devise an experiment to prove this one way or another. This has peaked my interest and I'd really like to know what the truth on the matter is.
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sidewinder
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Christian,
Tank size is NOT the issue with fish growing to their maximum potential size (unless ridiculously small tanks are used). The issue is indeed water quality. Poor water quality causes stunting, not small tanks.
Just because poor water quality is more commonly seen in smaller tanks does not mean that smaller tanks affects fish size. The logic is faulty.
Scott
Tank size is NOT the issue with fish growing to their maximum potential size (unless ridiculously small tanks are used). The issue is indeed water quality. Poor water quality causes stunting, not small tanks.
Just because poor water quality is more commonly seen in smaller tanks does not mean that smaller tanks affects fish size. The logic is faulty.
Scott
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Peter Clausen
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Peter Clausen
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As for mantises? Just make sure they have enough vertical room to shed their skin. Genetics, temperature and nutrition will do the rest. Now, I wonder if a bit of exercise might help them grow? I'm imagining a mantis sitting on a rowing machine...now with a treadmill attached.
Twice now I've explained that nutrition is very important for mantids to reach optimum length, cage size an aside.
I have observed notable, repeatable cage size affects on adult Gyna bisannulata and Megaphasma denticrus but cage size is not likely to affect all orthopteroids. Small cage size may be the reason Tenodera don't reach wild size in captivity independent of nutrition. Deroplatys lobata (not D. desiccata) can grow much larger in captivity than wild specimens from Malaysia but that may be the stock, nutrition or something else entirely.
If you guys want to argue water quality versus aquarium size for fish or wether a gun kills people (or people kill people or if it's really the bullet, or the impact or damage to specific organs since people get shot and don't die all the time), please start a new topic in the Other forum.
I have observed notable, repeatable cage size affects on adult Gyna bisannulata and Megaphasma denticrus but cage size is not likely to affect all orthopteroids. Small cage size may be the reason Tenodera don't reach wild size in captivity independent of nutrition. Deroplatys lobata (not D. desiccata) can grow much larger in captivity than wild specimens from Malaysia but that may be the stock, nutrition or something else entirely.
If you guys want to argue water quality versus aquarium size for fish or wether a gun kills people (or people kill people or if it's really the bullet, or the impact or damage to specific organs since people get shot and don't die all the time), please start a new topic in the Other forum.
revmdn
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I have a mantid size set of dumbbells and a mini boxing ring for mine. They seem to like a work out. Even a steam afterward. 
