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I'll be acquiring my first batch of Ghost mantids (5, I think) and was wondering about the best way to feed a communal species. 

Questions:

Is it as simple as throwing a bunch of flies in the enclosure?

How do you know if a particular mantis is not eating?

Do I need to keep food in the enclosure at all times to prevent cannibalism? 

What about molts... do I need to separate during molting to prevent mis-molts? 

OK ghost fans... help me out. ?

 
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Another excellent question!

Let me share a part of a message I just sent a friend:

”From my experiences, you can put any number of ghosts together, given a few things. First of all, room is a pretty important factor. If you have a decent sized enclosure, you can fit quite a few ghosts together, but there mist be lots of branches for them to hide on. They don’t move around a whole lot, but they like to be “communally secluded”, if that makes any sense. Also, they must be well fed. I don’t think anything else needs to be said here. Just make sure they’re always full, and they won’t eat each other. The last really important thing is, once they’re maybe L4 or L5, I would split up the males and females. Females grow a bit larger, and they’ll eat the males from time to time. This last thing isn’t quite as imperative, but it’s usually much safer, as you don’t want to run out of males!” 

To answer your question specifically, with my mantids, I just take my fly culture, put a specially made “dispenser” lid on it, and shake a bunch into the enclosure. As I’ve said before, I use jars for cultures, and the special lid is a water bottle top that I’ve glued to a jar lid. I’ll post a picture when I get home. Anyway, it makes it really easy to dispense anywhere from 1-100 flies into the enclosure. Honestly, the mantids are very good at finding food for themselves, so I just dump at least 2 flies for every 1 mantis. But it doesn’t have to be perfectly exact. Just make sure there is at least 1-2 flies per mantis, and you’ll be good. 

Next question, if a mantis is not eating. If there’s one that isn’t eating, you could tell by the size of the abdomen. If it’s abdomen is small/flat, it is either too slow to get the food, or not strong enough to (meaning it might die). Whenever I see this, I take it out, and house it by itself until it shows improvement. Usually it will be fine if you’re able to get it to molt. 

Next up, having food in the enclosure  always. Not a bad idea, if it possible, but only if you aren’t expecting any molts soon. The flies, if always kept in the enclosure, can disturb the mantis mid-molt, and cause it to fall. Also, if you do keep a constant supply of food, make sure that there isn’t too many flies, as they can cause stress with the mantis. 

Last question, about molting. As long as they’re well fed, you shouldn’t have any issues with them. I’ve only ever lost one mantis to a “attack of opportunity” (L1 eating a sibling molting to L2), but it was only because I didn’t dispense any flies for 3 days, because molting was taking place. But you should have nothing really to worry about. 

If you need any other help with other questions, and the other amazing forum members don’t answer them, feel free to reach out to me!

 
I am new to Ghosts and communal mantises, but I had an ooth hatch and have been keeping the nymphs communally due to ease of care. I'll throw in my admittedly limited experience in case it helps ? 

I have been keeping food present, as @ausar318 mentioned around 2 flies per mantis. I can't guarantee any individual is actually eating (I've had this concern, too) but they seem to do fine. I have a hole with a foam stopper in the lids of their enclosures and use a funnel to add flies from a greased cup. I'm interested to see the 'water bottle' dispenser! I may have to upgrade ? 

I have lost around 5 by my count, which I assume were attacked and eaten during molt from L1 to L2. They had plenty of flies present, so there was no lack of food. I think i should've added more excelsior than i did, and they were too close to each other during the molt (ie not enough communal seclusion). It looked like enough excelsior at the time, but settled down to leave a lot of open spaces after a couple of days and most of them seemed to prefer chilling on the container lid. I separated them into 2 32oz enclosures with more excelsior to combat this potential issue. They are in the process of molting from L2 to L3 now and I haven't lost any more (fingers crossed!) 

I'm planning on separating them out into smaller groups this week to make sure they have enough space as they grow and don't feel overcrowded. I will probably end up keeping them individually once they are closer to adult. I have a lot of mouths to feed right now and the thought of feeding 35 more mantises fruit flies individually is just exhausting lol.

Good luck with your new babies! Be sure keep us updated and to post some pictures when they arrive 

 
I have only 2 ghosts and they have their own home. And now 1 already molted and the other not. I am happy that they are having separate homes

 
Here’s the “custom dispenser” I built. I make the culture as normal, and use a coffee filter for the lid. When I’m ready to use the culture, I take that lid off, and replace it with the special one. It’s a lot easier than trying to deal with 1000 flies all trying to escape at the same time ?

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@ausar318 That is a great idea for a dispenser!

@Synapze Feeding the communal ghosts is very easy. They usually don't move super fast, so it is easy just to dump a few fruit flies in the container. Good luck with your new ghosties! I just had an ooth hatch yesterday, so i have plenty at the moment!

- MantisGirl13

 

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