Fluid from female mantis butt

[Mantis Lady]

I hope not, I want Cochise to stay with me for few months more. Her behaviour is still  normal.

 

[Mantis Lady]

This morning she has a droplet that had the color of that stuff whit she created her first ooth with. I am thinking are those glands blocked or something? I havn't seen her looking for a spot to lay an ooth the last week really. She was hanging upside down and gave her a drink from a straw instead of tea spoon. she really likes to drink.

 

[MantisGirl13]

You could try mating her with Bob, and see if the mating and the fertility of her eggs makes her want to lay an ooth?

- MantisGirl13

 

[Mantis Lady]

I am scared to do that, maybe it could give Cochise more problems than she already have.

After my nap tI found his one on cochises butt:

 

[Predatorhousepet]

I understand the concern after hearing about my female becoming eggbound but it hasn't been long enough after Cochise's last ooth to start thinking that is the problem. Since her ooths are infertile they may take longer to lay than fertile ones. As you know I tried mating my female but that did not help her situation. It is best to wait until Cochise is completely healthy and she isn't having that green discharge to mate her to assure that her babies will be healthy too. 

Do you notice that she has more discharge if you give her more water? 

 

[Mantis Lady]

Do you notice that she has more discharge if you give her more water? 

yes, I have the feeling that is right. Cochise is thirsty. Seems like what she drinks get out fast and that with the hot weather here...  She does poop, need to remove some poops again.

 

[Mantis Lady]

It is best to wait until Cochise is completely healthy and she isn't having that green discharge to mate her to assure that her babies will be healthy too. 

I agree with that

 

[Sticky]

They do urinate! Ive seen it myself. I hate to say it but I've been pissed in the face by afew of my girls!

Another one, a male, would flick it away from me. He was always a gentleman! I wouldnt worry. We all have to pee!

 

[Predatorhousepet]

They do urinate! Ive seen it myself. I hate to say it but I've been pissed in the face by afew of my girls!

Another one, a male, would flick it away from me. He was always a gentleman! I wouldnt worry. We all have to pee!

Interesting. I thought that might be what it was which is why I asked if she noticed there was more discharge and if it got more transparent when her mantis drank more water. I've never seen any of my mantises pee but that doesn't mean they don't. The clear green goo I saw on my female was more like gel than watery drops and it was on the side of her upper abdomen after mating. I never found more on her after that one time so I thought it was because the male had bad aim. 

 

[Mantis Lady]

huh? :blink: Cochise never peed when she was a nymph and it not hygienic to have a droplet of pee hanging at your rear.  In the wild there is not someone to wipe mantisses butts.

I thought mantids poops and pees at the same time? And i still found poop wiped a few of them a couple of hours ago off my desk. Now I am confused.

 

[Krissim Klaw]

Mantises will sometimes excrete excess uric acid in liquid form. This is most common in adult females and not a sign of issues. It generally comes out in a fine spray though and should dry a chalky white, which doesn't sound to be the case in your girl unfortunately.

I have had one female in the past that developed runny stool. She actually had the problem start after mating. She was otherwise healthy and lived a normal lifespan. I never however noticed any droplets hanging from her rear. The fact your girl has had the issue so far without other symptoms is promising though. I would just keep doing what you are doing and make sure you offer water regularly since it sounds like she is dehydrating faster than normal.

 

[Mantis Lady]

But will het get back to normal? Or must I clean her butt a few times a day daily the rest of her life? (she still needs to lay an ooth)

 

[Mantis Lady]

I was feeding cochise and saw something at her butt. I don't know if it is related to loosing fluids stuff but I saw this on Cochise her butt:

 

What is it?

 

[Mantis Lady]

Update Cochise:

The thing on her butt looks like this at the moment:

She still havn't layed an ooth. I am thinking this thing make it hard for her to poop/ooth laying. I have cleaned the stuff what is on there. It was sticky. Her butt is clean now, but Cochise don't wont to eat last couple of days. And normally she grabs everything I put before her face.

She hates the cleaning, but I had to do it..

 

[Predatorhousepet]

That is a long time since her last ooth but sometimes it takes a long time when they are infertile. No idea what's going on with the discharge but it's not normal. The loss of appetite is concerning.

My eggbound female didn't have discharge like that, she had been mated but she still couldn't lay and strained herself trying. She had a hard blockage you could feel. After she passed I dissected her to see what the lump was and it looked like a small amount of ooth material dried inside her and this caused the tissue in the surrounding area to die. Being eggbound is not necessarily fatal but in this case it was. I also had a female die not long after laying an ooth and she also had ooth material dried inside her. I don't know that anything can be done to prevent or treat that but it is interesting to know it's a possibilty.

Very gently feel Cochise's abdomen and make sure there aren't any hard spots. Be careful not to injure her in the process, the abdomen is very delicate.

The last pic you showed it almost looks like her anus is prolapsed but you said it was a sticky substance that you were able to wipe away? So her butt usually looks normal but gets this sticky green stuff coming out of her?

The only real advice I have is to keep an eye on her and keep offering her water to make up for any fluid loss she is experiencing. Hopefully she gets her appetite back soon.

 

[Mantis Lady]

Thank you for your reply,

There was blackish stuff on her butt, wiped it away with a wet cloth. Not green. She was slapping at the straw when i wanted to let her drink, will try later again. She is more restless then normally. I will for sure keep an eye on her.

 

[Predatorhousepet]

The black stuff in the center is what you wiped away? That may just be stress poop. It gets sticky and black. The green part it came out of is what I am concerned about, if that's not discharge then it looks like her anus is prolapsed. She may have done it when trying to lay an ooth. I don't think anything can be done about it though. 

If she doesn't want to drink that's ok, just try again tomorrow.

 

[Mantis Lady]

Could she have belly cramps that gives her stress? The green thing looks painfull I think.

 

[Mantis Lady]

front of Cochises abdomen

 

[Predatorhousepet]

Stress poop can be caused by any number of things that might be stressing her out. The prolapse alone could be stressful enough to cause it. However, since some of your other mantises are sick/dying it could be that whatever is going on with them is affecting her a little bit too.