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Hello, I'm just new the forum, my name is Max. I'm just 16 years old. I have a dog, some fish, and a crested gecko. Currently my mom is currently opposed to arachnids or serpents but the plan is to sway her :) I have taken a recent interest in mantids and I just generally love animals. I'm from Vancouver, Canada.

Nice to meet you all - I look forward to maybe contributing and learning more about these cool bugs!

 
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Hello Max and welcome to the forum
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Work your mom up slowly with spiders, and in time you should have what you want.
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Start off with a typical 1/2" adult jumping spider (Salticidae sp.), then wait a few months, then get a 2"+ wolf spider (Lycosidae sp.). Wait awhile again, then get yourself a dwarf tarantula such as a 3"+ Chilean Red (Euathlus sp.). The trick is to start off small, let her get use to it (2 months or longer), and then increase a bit on size with a new species. It is a trick that has worked wonderfully with my wife over the last few years, haha. :D

If you can't even start with the jumping spider, tell her it is to trade/sell on the forum, but of course keep it for yourself and in time she will forget about it/them. That is how I got started back in July, and spiders were a big no-no with her, but I have over a dozen now and some are getting somewhere in size now. The next step after her getting use to my wolf spiders is get the Chilean Red I have been longing for. :)

Originally I started off with one mantid, and nothing else as bugs were not allowed (but as I saved a local mantid from the winter freeze she couldn't say no). She laid ooths (ootheca - egg sacks) which hatched, so I needed to get fruit fly culture to feed them. Then it kept slowly increasing to the point where I am at now.

I've had over 60+ adult mantids at one point (last summer), about a dozen ooths at any time incubating to hatch, 7 pet jumping spiders, a vinegaroon, 3 large wolf spiders (one that is a bit over 2.5"), several wolf spider slings, several other locally caught pets (millipedes/centipedes/various beetles/etc), isopod cultures 1000+, various fruit fly cultures, springtail cultures, a cricket colony, waxworm/moth culture, etc.

As you can see it does work.
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I've heard many other members have had great success in starting small as well and now keep whatever they want, so hopefully you'll get to do the same in time.

The only no I have gotten, that I was unable to get around, was about getting cockroach feeders - as she's afraid they will colonize in the house if they escape (no matter the species). With only that one battle lost I'm not too worried. ;)

The only issue I can see for you is your country, as mantids and some other pets, can be nearly impossible to get in Canada. There are other Canadian members here though, so perhaps one will contact you about it, or you'll "figure out the ropes" of getting some. The only trick I have heard of is collecting some mantids in the wild yourself, near the US/Canada border, which you are close to Washington state so that might be a possibility where you live. Check your local parks and such for them, here is a guide on how to find them too. :D

 
Thank you @CosbyArt for the great advice. I will keep you posted if I manage to make and leeway into the spider  with my mom.

I do actually go to Washington sometimes, as a friend of my mom has a cottage there. I was thinking that if I can't find any here in Vancouver, then I could just order to the cottage in Washington, and pick it up from there. The only obstacle being that they may stop me at the border (If I declare it). Another option is that I have family in Ontario, and go back yearly - over the summer time. Every time I go, I see many mantids (But I have never managed to identify the species) and I have always wondered if I could take one back with me when I return to Van. But I will have to look into that. 

Another - somewhat - unrelated question -- Do mantids eat meal worms?

Anyways - Thank you very much for the long -- nearly essay like -- reply :)

Max

 
Thank you @CosbyArt for the great advice. I will keep you posted if I manage to make and leeway into the spider  with my mom.

I do actually go to Washington sometimes, as a friend of my mom has a cottage there. I was thinking that if I can't find any here in Vancouver, then I could just order to the cottage in Washington, and pick it up from there. The only obstacle being that they may stop me at the border (If I declare it). Another option is that I have family in Ontario, and go back yearly - over the summer time. Every time I go, I see many mantids (But I have never managed to identify the species) and I have always wondered if I could take one back with me when I return to Van. But I will have to look into that. 

Another - somewhat - unrelated question -- Do mantids eat meal worms?

Anyways - Thank you very much for the long -- nearly essay like -- reply :)

Max
Your welcome, I tend to provide too much information as your see with my various guides, DIY posts on here, and response posts. ;) Sounds good I'm curious to see how you do with your spiders.

Sounds like you have a way to get a mantid one way or another then, even if you have to wait and collect some in the wild. So best of luck getting started in the hobby and getting a pet soon though. :D

Sure they can eat mealworms, but I haven't had any luck getting a single mantid to eat any; although, many keeper's mantids eat them all the time. I tried the mealworms whole, cut in half, thrown in the habitat, offered to mantids on my tongs/tweezers, smeared my mantids mouths with their insides, etc. - nothing worked. I did though make a colony of mealworms at one point as I got 1000 for like $10 from RainbowMealworms as I had a coupon. They are a easy to culture feeder too, so I was bummed none of my pets would eat them, as at that point I had more mealworms than I would ever use - I froze them and a rough count was well over 10000 of them at that point (2 generations since I got them).

I think my main problem is my pet mantids are too spoiled on the live feeders I catch for them (bottle flies, moths, grasshoppers, etc) and my cultured feeders too. My mantids have a varied diet of feeders for sure, and I guess a worm just doesn't cut it for them. :)

 
Welcome, Max! Hopefully soon you can convince your mom to let you get a snake or spider. As a teen I was eventually able to convince my mom to let me get a corn snake. It took some work, but it was worth it! :)

 
I feed my mantids mealworms and superworms all the time. I've got a pair of long tweezers and I'll grab a worm by one end so it squirms and I'll put it close to the mantid so it sees it and the mantid will snatch it up. The only picky eater I have is my little ghost mantid, he prefers flies, but when that's not available I'll cut a worm for him and place the cut end near its mouth, he'll eat it that way when he doesn't feel like catching it. Hope that helps!

 
@SkrouSkrout

Bit of a late reply but just in case this might be helpful I figured I'd chime in. Besides going on an adventure to another province to catch wild mantids the only properly legal way to obtain some I think is to buy a Chinese Mantis Ooth online. Now there are a lot of warnings about ebay and the like that you should listen to but both Home Hardware and Costco carry Chinese Ooths during the spring that you can buy online as a means of organic pest control in your garden. This is exactly how I got into this amazing hobby, a coworker of mine purchased an ooth online and hatched it and a few of us kept some of the resulting nymphs as pets.

While this might not be the best way to acquire a mantis of your own it's still an option as we have so few in Canada.

 

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