Help Me ID WC Mantis

[Extrememantid]

I was getting excited that this could be another U.S. Stagmomantis spp., so I had to find out the best I could. Here goes nothing. (sorry, I'm horrible at uploading pictures)

http://mantidforum.net/forums/index.php?app=galleryℑ=5084

The wing veination above resembles the below picture found from the site (http://www.treknature.com/gallery/Oceania/New_Zealand/photo44449.htm). The only thing is that in the below picture, the spots on the forelegs is black.

http://mantidforum.net/forums/index.php?app=galleryℑ=5085

In DETHCHEEZ picture, the spots are brownish/goldenish (below).

http://mantidforum.net/forums/index.php?app=galleryℑ=5086

But in this other link (http://everygenusofmantid.deviantart.com/gallery/39992856), the spots are also brownish/goldenish.

http://mantidforum.net/forums/index.php?app=galleryℑ=5087

Based on what I can gather, the sources lead to the possible species Miomantis 'johannesburg' caffra. I'm no expert, but perhaps this finding will lead to the true identity of DETHCHEEZ's mantid. What do you guys think?

(edit: if it is caffra, credit goes to xiaoyu for getting it first)

You got it.. That's almost a perfect match.. Who lost their mio though???

 

[xiaoyu]

I keep Miomantis caffra from New Zealand.

 

[Rick]

You can easily lift the wings to see the wings underneath.

 

[agent A]

does the lip have a torquise stripe? if so its a limbata

 

[Dracus]

Definitely M. caffra female. Given that it is widespead in culture, I think this is just someone's pet.

 

[happy1892]

Definitely M. caffra female. Given that it is widespead in culture, I think this is just someone's pet.

Why do you think that? Is it because if they were breeding it would be a different season?

 

[happy1892]

Can you get more pictures of the side and the face of the mantis? Who has Miomantis caffra here in the US?

Edit: Oh, there are people in California with Miomantis caffra.

 

[Dracus]

Why do you think that? Is it because if they were breeding it would be a different season?

No, it's just more parsimonious to assume that this is just one escapee rather than an established species. The latter option is somewhat worrisome given that M. caffra belong to the more aggressive introduced species (after introduction to New Zealand it began to pressing the only native species, Orthodera novaezealandiae, out of its habitats). And we already have three introduced species in US, though it does not seem (yet) that they represent clear competitors to the native species.

 

[Paradoxica]

Can't M. Caffra reproduce through parthenogenesis? Or was that a different Mio species?

 

[mantiseater]

No, it's just more parsimonious to assume that this is just one escapee rather than an established species. The latter option is somewhat worrisome given that M. caffra belong to the more aggressive introduced species (after introduction to New Zealand it began to pressing the only native species, Orthodera novaezealandiae, out of its habitats). And we already have three introduced species in US, though it does not seem (yet) that they represent clear competitors to the native species.

We have introduced two species, Chinese,and European.

 

[Paradoxica]

We have introduced two species, Chinese,and European.

Also the Mediterranean mantis ( Iris oratoria)

 

[nirotorin]

Haha! I doubt anybody lost it. Long beach is pretty much just a port that they decided to call a city. Probably came in with some fruit, or something.

 

[happy1892]

Also the Mediterranean mantis ( Iris oratoria)

Also Tenodera angustipennis.

 

[Extrememantid]

Also Tenodera angustipennis.

That's really similar to a Chinese right?

 

[Dracus]

That's really similar to a Chinese right?

Still a different species. I forgot about it, indeed that makes four.

 

[mantiseater]

That's really similar to a Chinese right?

They a smaller than Chinese.

 

[Orin]

I'm at a loss

It doesn't look like any of the common sp. you'd see around here

???

What about the pictures of the flying wings??

 

[DETHCHEEZ]

Hey

Hope everyone survived the holidays / LOL

Sorry I've been lagging on my own post
Just getting caught up on things
But have been keeping an eye on it

Anyways~

Can't get a good open wing pic

As "nirotorin" said Port City
There's a gang of shipping contain storage & truck yards all around where she was found
So she could have easily come in with a shipment

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So is it safe to say M. Caffra is the proper ID
Looks right to me
&
The ooth she just laid seems to match the pics of other M. Caffra ooths I look up
Let Hope It's a Good One...

Will be looking it up
But if anyone has any good advice on ooth incubating for this Sp. that they'd like to share
I'm all ears

Thanx For Helping ID
Appreciate All The Input

 

[DETHCHEEZ]

Haha! I doubt anybody lost it. Long beach is pretty much just a port that they decided to call a city. Probably came in with some fruit, or something.

Say what you will about the LBC

But You Can't Beat The Weather {Same as where you're at}

My winter garden doesn't know what's up

&

I have to force my plants {that need to} to go dormant

A Shout Out To All The Peps On The East Cost

A SUNNY 91 ON WEDNESDAY

Sorry

I Know I'm a / Fill In The "__BLANK___"

But Can't Help Myself

LOL

PEACE...

 

[DETHCHEEZ]

Say what you will about the LBC

But You Can't Beat The Weather {Same as where you're at}

My winter garden doesn't know what's up

&

I have to force my plants {that need to} to go dormant

A Shout Out To All The Peps On The East Cost

A SUNNY 91 ON WEDNESDAY

Sorry

I Know I'm a / Fill In The "__BLANK___"

But Can't Help Myself

LOL

PEACE...

Although it is going to be a cloudy 79 on Friday & a cloudy chilly 77 on Saturday

Might have to unpack a long sleeve shirt

LOL

SORRY I'LL STOP NOW