idolomantis falling while moulting

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Hi,

These mantids are the strangest I have ever kept. Reading what other people have experinced I have found that leading up to a moult and just after, the mantids become very lethargic. So much so that they seem to be on the verge of death. They can't, or seem unwilling to, hold themselves properly with their legs all over the place and their raptorial arms held outstretched. Then just when I think they're about to die they make a miraculous recovery and behave normally. This only starts happening around L5/6 and continues thereafter. Last night a male moulted to sub-adult and this morning he was lying on the bottom of the cage looking distinctly ill with his face on the floor. As they get bigger it does seem that the moult takes it out of them, which may explain why some people experience mantids having problems and falling off. Mind are kept in a fine mesh cage on three sides with a perspex front with a few branches and thick twigs inside, which they ignore by the way. Once they get past the first 2 or 3 moults I only spray them to give them a drink, as humidity seems to be constant and temperature around 30C during the day. They eat flies fed on honey and sugar water. I can't for the life of me think why these mantis behave this way because in the wild they would make easy pickings.

 
Everything's going super here: today my female became subadult (L9) and yesterday my male (L8, you can see his antennae get thicker :shock: ). They are huge :shock: :shock: :shock:

1 moult to go and than I've got some breeding to do :wink: wish me luck

by the way: they are still on 27°C in all mesh cages (they moult every 22-25 days which I reckon a good average)

 
*update* One moulted to L8 yesterday. No problems with this one. My other one is going to moult soon but keeps falling to the floor - yes the stupid thing keeps hanging by one foot again for some reason, but there also seems to be an issue with the grip from its claws (ie it seems to have lost gripping power lol). Why do they keep cleaning the feet? An idea I had is they put sticky stuff on prior to moulting. If so it doesnt work :evil:

This time its hanging underneith a lowish twig and ignoring the top mesh. There is some leaves on the floor to break its fall; it just climbs straight back up again when it does - seems to know where to go, strangely. I didnt think they had a memory.

*update 03.01.06.* It stopped feeding about 2 weeks ago and i thought it would moult soonafter but it didnt. it seems to take forever in these mantids; every day i think it will do something but nothing. This one moulted getting on for 5 weeks ago and ate about 3 times as much compared with my other one (which often refused food). It got a very 'full' abdomen so maybe they have to clear the gut before they shed the skin. It might be a good idea to limit their food. A lower body weight may also help with the grip from the claws during moulting.

*update 04.01.06.* mantid shed skin last night - but it went bad. Front legs got stuck in the old skin for some reason - my theory is this was due to previous damage to those legs. I had noticed the walking part of each leg (the part that usually folds back out of the way) had been damaged and fallen /bitten off at some point before moulting. The scar left may stop the leg withdrawing from the old skin. May account for other bad moults that others have seen.

 
Disaster last night! I thought my oldest L8 idolo was ready to shed so have been keeping a close eye on it. Went to check last night and saw the shed skin hanging from the top of the net cage and the new adult at the bottom. Suprisingly it had managed to haul itself off the ground so I thought it might have had a chance but this morning it was flat on its back.

Only the 2 left now and I think they are both females....will do my best with those 2 and see if I can improve my rearing technique for the future,

Alan

 
Have mentioned this in another thread but it leads on from this.....

Had one of my remaining 2 idolos shed to L9 successfully the other day. Its a female so has another shed to go til its an adult. Gonna try a few ideas that people have suggested to improve their chances of making it!

Alan

 
just got to mention my male ido became sub-adult successfully a few days ago. :lol:

I thought he'd drop or get stuck but he managed it (with some assistance). One of his hind feet got 'de gripped' after he started moulting and gravity meant it dropped down to an angle that was wrong for him to get his 'new' leg completely out. I managed to lift the leg skin up with my tweezers untill the leg eventually came out. It was only very slightly bent :wink:

 

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