inbreeding causing mismolts??

[agent A]

ok so the majority of my budwing nymphs hace mismolted to either L2 or L3, despite spritzing and individual housing. i am wondering if the several generations of inbreeding in the line has created weakened nymphs

anyone have input on this??

 

[Cole 78]

Inbreeding in any animal will weaken the genetic code. One generation should be ok, but as you listed "wondering if the several generations of inbreeding". Yeah, I'm surprised the Ooth even had more than one or two hatch. Try mixing up the bloodline, inbreeding is a big no-no by mother nature.

 

[Ziiggy's Insectarium]

Inbreeding in any animal will weaken the genetic code. One generation should be ok, but as you listed "wondering if the several generations of inbreeding". Yeah, I'm surprised the Ooth even had more than one or two hatch. Try mixing up the bloodline, inbreeding is a big no-no by mother nature.

Well not entirely as some species of ants participate in budding in which the matures inbreed and then spread out.

 

[hysteresis]

Inbreeding mantids requires subsequent ooth hatches, no?  By the time females are ready, males are too old. Mother nature's mechanism.

I've read inbreeding beyond one or two gens is 100 pct death.

 

[Cole 78]

Well not entirely as some species of ants participate in budding in which the matures inbreed and then spread out.

Haven't heard this anywhere, and I've been keeping ants for a while. Even if they did, it would still be harmful towards the offspring. 

 

[Ziiggy's Insectarium]

well serching on formiculture it came up woth a full page atleast of topics involving the talk of budding colonies. but while it probably isnt the best, i plan on doing a very extensive experiment involving the effects of inbreeding on most species of mantises kept and what the likely hood of ooth hatches and the numbers associated with those ooths. I think the topic could use some decent data and statistics.

 

[Rick]

Inbreeding mantids requires subsequent ooth hatches, no?  By the time females are ready, males are too old. Mother nature's mechanism.

I've read inbreeding beyond one or two gens is 100 pct death.

Not sure what you mean here. Mating sibling mantids is common in this hobby. 

And I believe you have heard wrong. I've kept mantids for several generations breeding siblings and never noticed anything like that. Don't believe everything you read. 

 

[hysteresis]

@Rick then there's an easier route for a beginner like me. I might not have to source males from another pairing or sunsequent hatch for my females? 

Thanks for correcting my statement. I don't want to share misinformation! 

Many comment that their males are too old by the time their females are ready to mate.

 

[hysteresis]

@Rick  

And there it is. Fast forward my reading to P. 88 of Keeping the Praying Mantis.

Thank you.

 

[agent A]

inbreeding is ok after u have bred out all the lethal recessives. it's most easily done in prolific species with rapid generation times, easy feeding and housing requirements, and minimal space needs. flies and small moths are good candidates. mantises, not so much