Inbreeding Mantids

[Serle]

I am starting to breed Mantids and am wondering if I should breed offspring 

from the same ooth. or should I have Mantis from different ooth's?

 

[CosbyArt]

@Serle Depends on the mantid species, here is one of my more recent responses on the topic of inbreeding mantids...

In some species of mantids, for example the Orchids (Hymenopus coronatus) it is said between 3 to 5 inbreed generations and defected and/or sterile nymphs are the result (as discussed from some various breeders of the species). The problem encountered thought by several breeders, is from the various Orchid mantids in the hobby all originating from the same original mantid parents. So mixing in some further distant related (or preferably unrelated) Orchids are needed to keep their gene pool from mutating.

Thankfully, in nearly all other mantid species it doesn't seem to be a issue at all, as mentioned by other breeders. Personally I've only done one generation of inbreeding various species without problems most of the time. As I keep native species, and as such I always have new parents/stock from wild captive specimens in the gene pool,  or I am ready to try a new species by that point so it isn't a issue.

Feel free to use the search function to find many other topics/responses on the forum, especially from other members too. However, here is a small list of inbreeding topics that are on the forum to get you started...

 

[spider_creations]

I wonder if inbreeding patho (don't need a male to produce offspring) speices doesn't hurt the gene pool for example iris can produce offspring without male, but males exist mabye if a female mates with a male and has ooths hatch if her young inbred would they be as effected? 

 

[CosbyArt]

One thing I learned reading some of those topics myself doing the post with the links, is most keepers don't consider nymphs from different ooths from the same mother inbreeding, and on many other various points not all are in agreement either. So in that respect it is hard to even label most cases even inbreeding.

In the scheme of things though to truly know there has to be carefully controlled scientific study of mantids and their genes from pairing/breeding, and that is something that has never been done. What little anyone can base things from are observations of the resulting pairing and their nymphs, but even then who is to say if the parents of the mated mantids were not related to start with or further down a few generations.

I wonder if inbreeding patho (don't need a male to produce offspring) speices doesn't hurt the gene pool for example iris can produce offspring without male, but males exist mabye if a female mates with a male and has ooths hatch if her young inbred would they be as effected? 

Really depends on if they are from the same ooth of the same parent, twice, to be considered by many to be inbreeding (see my text above). Although even then there is no scientific research data, so any response is nothing but conjecture at this point.

My guess though is no they would not be affected, as they seem to be resilient and set in their genes to begin with (ie. set/limited gene pool) - as they are able to reproduce via parthenogenesis.

 

[Serle]

I know about dogs and horses , never thought about insects . It would seem to have similar results , as you  say the pet market wouldn't watch the outcome as closely as the technical field.