INBREEDING

[idolomantis]

INBREEDING is dangerous and i now see the zoo gived me giant asians that are inbreeded for atleast 60 years.

if you read al my health problem topics you,ll see it is al inbrreding. thats why i have more problems in one moths then you all have...

inbreeding makes mantids very weak and smaller. The best way to make sure this dont gonna happen is:

EACH TWO GENERATIONS BUY AN OOTH OR MALE OR FEMALE FROM AN OTHER PERSON OR EVERYTHING GOES WRONG!!!!

AND: i see now that the zoo where i get them from, (artis) will dont have any mantids the comming 10 years becouse they al die,

now may male who eats 10 cricks sinse being adult stopped whit eating becouse of the inbreeding.

its not only this spieces but this count for every insect(and reptiles) that can keeping in terraria.

to everyone who is a beginer whit any insects,

read this warning and use it, or else it gives you only pain and stress.

my best and strongest female died becouse the local hideous cat <_<

may this be a warning to you al.

and beginners at this area, i hope you learn from this topic

 

[Andrew]

So you have been keeping this single bloodline of giant asians for 60 years?

 

[idolomantis]

So you have been keeping this single bloodline of giant asians for 60 years?

no..... the zooo did where i got them from

 

[obregon562]

This doesn't sound plossible. For mantids to 'inbreed' you would have to have a female lay an ooth, survive up until the point the babies from the ooth mature, mate with her son, and then lay the resulting ooth!

I just dont think this is your problem idolo. it is kind of a reach.

 

[Giosan]

This doesn't sound plossible. For mantids to 'inbreed' you would have to have a female lay an ooth, survive up until the point the babies from the ooth mature, mate with her son, and then lay the resulting ooth! I just dont think this is your problem idolo. it is kind of a reach.

I think you're wrong there, the mom doesn't have to mate with her son, it's about that her children mate and get babies again - which means the blood/dna 'n stuff will still be the same. That's what inbreeding means. All the same genes.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inbreeding

 

[Moosashi]

is it ok to do that one time cuz I only have one carolina ooth that hatched and I'm gonna raise up some males and females to mate eventually. Will their progeny be messed up?

 

[obregon562]

I think you're wrong there, the mom doesn't have to mate with her son, it's about that her children mate and get babies again - which means the blood/dna 'n stuff will still be the same. That's what inbreeding means. All the same genes.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inbreeding

Upps! i messed up there. But is still dont think it would be that big a deal...i mean, i cant say i've had experience with 120+ generations, but mnay people start bloodlines from one ooth...

I dunno...it just shouldn't affect the problems you've had, like bad sheds, etc...

Thats humidities' fault, not inbreeding's.

 

[Giosan]

Upps! i messed up there. But is still dont think it would be that big a deal...i mean, i cant say i've had experience with 120+ generations, but mnay people start bloodlines from one ooth...I dunno...it just shouldn't affect the problems you've had, like bad sheds, etc...

Thats humidities' fault, not inbreeding's.

Well, if it's true that the zoo kept the same generation for 60 years, stuff like this might happen. Can't know for sure of course

I do know some phasmids are sensitive for inbreeding and new nymphs will become weak. Need to bring some new males every now and then.

 

[idolomantis]

yes and that is waht i,m going to do now

 

[Moosashi]

might as well keep them in something that promotes humidity when they're likely to moult too as the majority of people seem to think that might be one of the main problems.

 

[Birdfly]

Hi, I think the fact that the zoo kept and bred These H membranacea for 60 years is proof that inbreeding is not a problem, at least not for H membranacea as the problems normally associated with inbreeding should have halted the culture 55 years or so earlier

 

[Mantida]

I don't think inbreeding has anything to do with what happened to those mantids.

 

[idolomantis]

I don't think inbreeding has anything to do with what happened to those mantids.

oh but i never hear you al about those problems you see.

and inbreeding isnt a problem when they are like hatling-l4 but after that, the trouble begins...

i,m sure it IS inbreeding. What else could it be? the local poltergeist???

noo my tanks are al 40-50 cm high i only let them in my plants at the day and when they are going to moult, i even dont let then out of there tanks.

tell me what you think it is.

 

[idolomantis]

Hi, I think the fact that the zoo kept and bred These H membranacea for 60 years is proof that inbreeding is not a problem, at least not for H membranacea as the problems normally associated with inbreeding should have halted the culture 55 years or so earlier

look i saw many times that when a new ooth hatches there, only 5 make it to adulthood. 150-250 nymphs- 5 survive? no way that this happens to not inbreeded mantids

 

[idolomantis]

rest in peace mantis number four

 

[ismart]

Idolo why not try to get a new bloodline to mix up the gene pool if you think it's inbreeding? If it is inbreeding then i'm sure you will notice a difference with a new bloodline in the same kept conditions.

Wow 60 years of inbreeding, and mantises are still becoming adults and ooths are still hatching. That is quite impressive that this bloodline of mantids still exits. Maybe now people won't be so worried about inbreeding a generation or two.

 

[idolomantis]

Idolo why not try to get a new bloodline to mix up the gene pool if you think it's inbreeding? If it is inbreeding then i'm sure you will notice a difference with a new bloodline in the same kept conditions.Wow 60 years of inbreeding, and mantises are still becoming adults and ooths are still hatching. That is quite impressive that this bloodline of mantids still exits. Maybe now people won't be so worried about inbreeding a generation or two.

yes i,m gonna buy 2 asian ooths again. 1 from spain and one from america

 

[joossa]

i,m sure it IS inbreeding. What else could it be? the local poltergeist???

You cannot conclude this without having collected specific data that is both general (qualitative) and very specific (down to genetic testing).

While introducing a new individual into a breeding line that has been and is composed of only related individuals does increase the offspring's genetic diversity and is generally recommended when breeding anything, in mantids diversity is very minimal. Inbreeding does increase the chances of offspring resulting in a homozygous recessive genotype that can make them more susceptible to certain diseases, BUT since there has not been extensive studies on mantid genetics/diseases you cannot blame inbreeding as the cause of your mantids illnesses or "bad happenings". To do so is simply fallacious.

 

[idolomantis]

You cannot conclude this without having collected specific data that is both general (qualitative) and very specific (down to genetic testing).While introducing a new individual into a breeding line that has been and is composed of only related individuals does increase the offspring's genetic diversity and is generally recommended when breeding anything, in mantids diversity is very minimal. Inbreeding does increase the chances of offspring resulting in a homozygous recessive genotype that can make them more susceptible to certain diseases, BUT since there has not been extensive studies on mantid genetics/diseases you cannot blame inbreeding as the cause of your mantids illnesses or "bad happenings". To do so is simply fallacious.

i KNOW THAT THAT ZOO IS INBREEDING BECOESE I HAVE A HALF JOB THERE AT THE PHASMIDS AND MANTIDS!!!!!!

OMFG HOW DO I MAKE YOU GUYS SURE THAT INBREDING MAKES TROUBLE :angry: :angry: :angry:

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