infertile ootheca?

[beckyl92]

my Rhombodera Basalis is laying an ootheca and has never mated. is it true that they can hatch out just females? (very few)

its her 3rd, the others i just threw away but recently i was thinking maybe its true they can hatch.

(sorry if its a stupid question)

the ootheca is twice the size of her 2nd. her first was massive.

 

[revmdn]

I don't think that is one of the few species that can do that. But I would wait for a more informed response.

 

[Cosmic]

Sorry Becky but it won't hatch

 

[agent A]

Actually I had an infertile chinese mantis egg case and it hatched a good 40 nymphs.

 

[beckyl92]

Actually I had an infertile chinese mantis egg case and it hatched a good 40 nymphs.

did they all turn out to be female?

 

[Katnapper]

Rhombodera species reproduces sexually. There are only very few species that reproduce parthenogenically, Bruneria borealis being one. But it would be extremely, extremely unlikely for a species that normally only reproduces by sexual fertilization, like Rhombodera sp., to suddenly have an ooth hatch without the mother being fertilized by a male. It would likely be akin to a fluke miracle.

So no, if your Rhombodera sp. mother mantis did not have any contact with a male of the same species, her ooths will be infertile and will definitely not hatch.

If Agent a's Chinese ootheca hatched, it was fertile. It had been laid by a mated female, even if he did not witness the mating when he had her.

 

[beckyl92]

Rhombodera species reproduces sexually. There are only very few species that reproduce parthenogenically, Bruneria borealis being one. But it would be extremely, extremely unlikely for a species that normally only reproduces by sexual fertilization, like Rhombodera sp., to suddenly have an ooth hatch without the mother being fertilized by a male. It would likely be akin to a fluke miracle. So no, if your Rhombodera sp. mother mantis did not have any contact with a male of the same species, her ooths will be infertile and will definitely not hatch.

If Agent a's Chinese ootheca hatched, it was fertile. It had been laid by a mated female, even if he did not witness the mating when he had her.

okay thanks !

 

[agent A]

If Agent a's Chinese ootheca hatched, it was fertile. It had been laid by a mated female, even if he did not witness the mating when he had her.

she wasn't mated. she could fly when I caught her. she never mated and I know that!

 

[Rick]

Actually I had an infertile chinese mantis egg case and it hatched a good 40 nymphs.

No you didn't.

Becky, if she wasn't mated it won't hatch.

 

[Katnapper]

she wasn't mated. she could fly when I caught her. she never mated and I know that!

She had obviously mated before you caught her. Period.

 

[idolomantis]

she wasn't mated. she could fly when I caught her. she never mated and I know that!

infertile eggs don't hatch and i never heard of phartenogenetism with tenodera's.

and on a smaller note, females don't fly.

 

[Emile.Wilson]

she wasn't mated. she could fly when I caught her. she never mated and I know that!

LOL! how can you know if shes not mated if you caught her?

 

[Rick]

infertile eggs don't hatch and i never heard of phartenogenetism with tenodera's.and on a smaller note, females don't fly.

More false info. Some can fly. I have found young adult female tenoderas that could fly before they put on any weight.

 

[idolomantis]

More false info. Some can fly. I have found young adult tenoderas that could fly before they put on any weight.

Okay, thanks for correcting me.

 

[Rick]

Okay, thanks for correcting me.

Only seen it twice in my entire life though.

 

[agent A]

More false info. Some can fly. I have found young adult female tenoderas that could fly before they put on any weight.

thank you. so she couldn't have been pregnant.

 

[jameslongo]

thank you. so she couldn't have been pregnant.

Penny hasn't dropped yet, eh? If you don't take of heed Katnapper's experienced words & constantly question her every step of the way, by golly gosh you've incurable problems. Time to refer back to your apologetic topic, I think

I've seen a female Tenodera australasiae fly. She just hadn't produced enough eggs to burden her flight at the time, like Rick suggested. Olga & I caught her in the wild. Unfortunately, she was never mated, which is quite uncommon for a wild female. So, chances are, Alex, your Chinese was fertile. What's even less likely is parthanogenesis (cloning) within this species (is that what you meant, Idolomantis?). I'll ship my severed right arm over to Connecticut & have it delivered to you by a barber shop quartet if you find some hard-hitting evidence that your hatched ooth was begat by an infertile female. Dead serious :mellow:

 

[idolomantis]

Penny hasn't dropped yet, eh? If you don't take of heed Katnapper's experienced words & constantly question her every step of the way, by golly gosh you've incurable problems. Time to refer back to your apologetic topic, I think I've seen a female Tenodera australasiae fly. She just hadn't produced enough eggs to burden her flight at the time, like Rick suggested. Olga & I caught her in the wild. Unfortunately, she was never mated, which is quite uncommon for a wild female. So, chances are, Alex, your Chinese was fertile. What's even less likely is parthanogenesis (cloning) within this species (is that what you meant, Idolomantis?). I'll ship my severed right arm over to Connecticut & have it delivered to you by a barber shop quartet if you find some hard-hitting evidence that your hatched ooth was begat by an infertile female. Dead serious :mellow:

Yep, parthenogenesis is fairly common under stick insects and some mantis spieces, this doesn't include tenodera.

snd LOL @ the severed arm part.

and agent a, if it's thin, it doesn't mean it ain't mated

And you shouldn't question everyting we say.

now to make this clear:

Your female was mated. capiche?

 

[Katnapper]

she wasn't mated. she could fly when I caught her. she never mated and I know that!

No you didn't.Becky, if she wasn't mated it won't hatch.

I keep having to come back to this. "No you didn't." I crack up every time!!!