Is there anything to pay attention to when raising the Hymenopus coronatus ?

[Mantis home]

Is there anything to pay attention to when raising the Hymenopus coronatus ?I am raising these cute guys

 

[agent A]

don't let the containers get too stuffy or dirty. you also want to ensure the nymphs don't get too full of food

 

[Mantis home]

What can't it eat? There was a poor guy spitting black water some while ago.

 

[happy1892]

What can't it eat? There was a poor guy spitting black water some while ago.

I had that trouble with vomiting black liquid for Orchid mantis nymphs. I think it is the temperature fluctuations that can cause it. So I am now keeping them at a steady temperature in my room with the heaters. I had the same problem of temperature fluctuation causing vomiting with my P. wahlbergii nymphs and temperature fluctuation caused mis-molts as well for the P. wahlbergii. Also, as agent A said, I would make sure not to feed them too much. That might cause them to vomit also.

 

[Mantis home]

Thanks for your guidance！

 

[agent A]

I had that trouble with vomiting black liquid for Orchid mantis nymphs. I think it is the temperature fluctuations that can cause it. So I am now keeping them at a steady temperature in my room with the heaters. I had the same problem of temperature fluctuation causing vomiting with my P. wahlbergii nymphs and temperature fluctuation caused mis-molts as well for the P. wahlbergii. Also, as agent A said, I would make sure not to feed them too much. That might cause them to vomit also.

luckily this guy isnt in AMERICA where we think something is starving if it isn't plump and porky. Our food culture is garbage and we project it onto our pets, which I think is abuse
don't even get me started on people posting obese axolotls to instagram...

 

[hibiscusmile]

luckily this guy isnt in AMERICA where we think something is starving if it isn't plump and porky. Our food culture is garbage and we project it onto our pets, which I think is abuse
don't even get me started on people posting obese axolotls to instagram...

haha

 

[happy1892]

luckily this guy isnt in AMERICA where we think something is starving if it isn't plump and porky. Our food culture is garbage and we project it onto our pets, which I think is abuse
don't even get me started on people posting obese axolotls to instagram...

Lol.

 

[happy1892]

Misting the Orchid nymphs water for them to drink has made some of them to throw up.

 

[agent A]

Misting the Orchid nymphs water for them to drink has made some of them to throw up.

I've never had this happen. I sometimes have Creobroter throw up but they like to binge and they are like the only mantises I ever overfeed because it doesn't seem to affect them

 

[happy1892]

I've never had this happen. I sometimes have Creobroter throw up but they like to binge and they are like the only mantises I ever overfeed because it doesn't seem to affect them

I am wondering if it is inbreeding that might make them susceptible to vomiting. It is weird that they are so sensitive. It makes it hard to raise Orchid mantises. It is a very beautiful species, so I hope they are not really that hard to raise. I am now only misting a couple times as they get close to molting incase they need to be hydrated to avoid mismolting. I allow them plenty of time to digest their food before I give them water to drink, and so far it is working well.

 

[Introvertebrate]

Peter Clausen sometimes refers to the proverbial "brown goo of death" that gets discussed in connection with cricket fed mantises. Primarily crickets that were raised on carrots.

 

[agent A]

Peter Clausen sometimes refers to the proverbial "brown goo of death" that gets discussed in connection with cricket fed mantises. Primarily crickets that were raised on carrots.

my crickets eat carrots and don't cause this issue

 

[happy1892]

Peter Clausen sometimes refers to the proverbial "brown goo of death" that gets discussed in connection with cricket fed mantises. Primarily crickets that were raised on carrots.

Yes, I have had this happen with store bought crickets. I believe the crickets eat the rotting crickets in the pet stores and so the cricket's from there can be bad. They would kill my mantises and those cricket guts smelled bad when popped open. Some species of mantises are more hardy than others in tolerating bad food. My Sphodromantis cf. lineola were able to survive eating some black soldier fly larvae when my Pnigomantis medioconstricta would die from those black soldier fly larvae.

With Orchid mantis any bad food would probably be deadly to them since they seem sensitive to vomiting. I am still not sure what the causes are for Orchid mantis nymphs vomiting. I have heard P. wahlbergii are also particularly sensitive to getting sick from bad food. My P. wahlbergii would get sick from even good crickets or cockroaches when they were kept down at 70F and lower. The P. wahlbergii need to be kept warmer to avoid getting sick.

 

[Introvertebrate]

my crickets eat carrots and don't cause this issue

So much for that theory. People speculate about the causes, but of course, nobody knows for sure.

 

[Introvertebrate]

Yes, I have had this happen with store bought crickets. I believe the crickets eat the rotting crickets in the pet stores and so the cricket's from there can be bad. They would kill my mantises and those cricket guts smelled bad when popped open. Some species of mantises are more hardy than others in tolerating bad food. My Sphodromantis cf. lineola were able to survive eating some black soldier fly larvae when my Pnigomantis medioconstricta would die from those black soldier fly larvae.

With Orchid mantis any bad food would probably be deadly to them since they seem sensitive to vomiting. I am still not sure what the causes are for Orchid mantis nymphs vomiting. I have heard P. wahlbergii are also particularly sensitive to getting sick from bad food. My P. wahlbergii would get sick from even good crickets or cockroaches when they were kept down at 70F and lower. The P. wahlbergii need to be kept warmer to avoid getting sick.

I want to give my newly purchased feeder roaches plenty of time to get established. In the meantime, I wanted something to feed to my newly purchased tarantulas. I bought about 100 crickets from PetSmart. I think they were banded crickets because they never made a sound. Between feeding them off and die-offs, the crickets only lasted me about two weeks. I haven't given up on pet store crickets, however. I thought I'd get another batch exclusively for breeding purposes. Kind of a science experiment. Maybe the second generation would be healthier?? At least I would have a boatload of pinheads for my sling. I'd have to come up with a different feeding solution for my bigger tarantula. It would take too long for the crickets to mature.

 

[happy1892]

I want to give my newly purchased feeder roaches plenty of time to get established. In the meantime, I wanted something to feed to my newly purchased tarantulas. I bought about 100 crickets from PetSmart. I think they were banded crickets because they never made a sound. Between feeding them off and die-offs, the crickets only lasted me about two weeks. I haven't given up on pet store crickets, however. I thought I'd get another batch exclusively for breeding purposes. Kind of a science experiment. Maybe the second generation would be healthier?? At least I would have a boatload of pinheads for my sling. I'd have to come up with a different feeding solution for my bigger tarantula. It would take too long for the crickets to mature.

I have read about people using apple to flush out the bad stuff from their pet store bought crickets before feeding to their pets. But with a vomit sensitive species of mantis I still worry it could be dangerous even with flushing out the bad stuff in the cricket guts. You can probably tell though which crickets are bad from looking at them. The bad crickets have dark guts.

 

[Introvertebrate]

I have read about people using apple to flush out the bad stuff from their pet store bought crickets before feeding to their pets. But with a vomit sensitive species of mantis I still worry it could be dangerous even with flushing out the bad stuff in the cricket guts.

On my PetSmart crickets, I tried slices of apple, orange, and carrot. I also sprinkled a few Kibbles 'n Bits in there. Of course, if your buying a sickly batch to begin with, no amount of invertebrate 'nursing' will save them. The crickets you order online might be healthier, but I have trouble justifying a $30 shipping charge on $10 worth of crickets.

 

[happy1892]

On my PetSmart crickets, I tried slices of apple, orange, and carrot. I also sprinkled a few Kibbles 'n Bits in there. Of course, if your buying a sickly batch to begin with, no amount of invertebrate 'nursing' will save them. The crickets you order online might be healthier, but I have trouble justifying a $30 shipping charge on $10 worth of crickets.

Oh, yes. I just noticed that they are charging over night shipping for crickets now. They didn't do that a month ago. Fluker's farm had a live arrival guarantee for shipping crickets by 2-3 Day Priority Mail last Thanksgiving when I ordered from them.

I found someone that did the cheaper shipping. It is $28 for 1000 crickets and free shipping:
https://www.thecritterdepot.com/products/bulk-crickets-for-sale

 

[Introvertebrate]

Oh, yes. I just noticed that they are charging over night shipping for crickets now. They didn't do that a month ago. Fluker's farm had a live arrival guarantee for shipping crickets by 2-3 Day Priority Mail last Thanksgiving when I ordered from them.

I found someone that did the cheaper shipping. It is $28 for 1000 crickets and free shipping:
https://www.thecritterdepot.com/products/bulk-crickets-for-sale

Great find. Thanks for the link.