is this a Creobroter Gemmatus?

[massaman]

is this a Creobroter Gemmatus?

http://img232.imageshack.us/img232/1687/20...03192310375.jpg

This is one of the few I had bought from Yen and he did say this was a Gemmatus!

One more thing is this was one of two females I bred successfully as the other one lost a raptorial arm!

 

[agent A]

I think it is. Do you have an adult male I can breed my female with?

 

[Rick]

Yes.

 

[agent A]

You do?!

 

[Rick]

You do?!

I was answering the original question. It appears to be gemmatus.

 

[agent A]

Oh. It does look like a gemmatus.

 

[bassist]

I was answering the original question. It appears to be gemmatus.

It may not be the species called gemmatus is unidentified.

http://mantidforum.net/forums/index.php?sh...=13607&st=0

@ Yen: the first two species all are Creobroter elongatus. Cr. pictipennis is also in stock, but looks different (green pronotum). Cr. gemmatus is smaller and probably not in stock at moment.

There are barely distinguishable. That's the problem. Maybe the Thailand ones are really gemmatus, I don't know (although elongatus are also from Thailand). I just hope to get enough specimens that I have a large series one day. Maybe this could help clean this genus up a bit. Without seeing the type specimens it's almost not possible to draw any conclusions anyway.

:lol: :lol: Ok, let's sum it up: the following morphs are actually in stock

C. elongatus, C. "nebulosa": differences as shown by Yen.

C. pictipennis: hindwings more like "nebulosa", pronotum more slender and always green, wings longer.

C. "gemmatus": smaller than elongatus, similar in appearance, but forecoxae of nymphs not red as in elongatus. Brown pronotum, but overall more "green" than elongatus. Species identity not confirmed so far.

The confusion arises from the fact that Creobroter is confusing. There is no aid at all if hobbyists start to name them by themselves. That's why there are elongatus stocks wrongly named "pictipennis", not talking about the gemmatus/elongatus problem.

 

[agent A]

Creobroter is too confusing. My advice-buy a bunch of 1 species of creobroter from someone who knows what species it is and keep a good breeding population so you don't end up looking for more.

 

[massaman]

i do happen to have a male but the females just dont want to be bred again and they just have no interest in being bred again sadly but i just wonder if they refuse the male when another attempt is tried should I just give up on the retry anyways!Also I do have a bunch of gemmatus nymphs in a bigger critter keeper that hatched like 20ish or so of the little buggers and using tiny pinhead crickets to keep them fed!Dont have enough fruit flies in my homemade culture to use to feed them!

 

[Rick]

I also looked at the post by Yen. It looked like what he was calling gemmatus which is why I said it looked like it. I am by no means an expert at identification.

 

[yen_saw]

I have three different Creobroter at one time. The one that is small (not longer than 35mm) and female's wing never reached abdomen tip, lighter color is the species I received from Thailand, told by the entomologist there as C. gemmata. That is the one you get massaman.

 

[Christian]

I would be interested in dead specimens of all your three species Yen, to get some insight into this genus. It doesn't hurry, though, take your time. Thanks in advance.