OK you think that good 4 you im a little more up beat and any thing that is related to the cockroach and eats them are hard to kill thay are a primative speies thay dont need that much.Iv read up on them sooo if you think that you cant hadle it ok but im never going to say i didn't try
Is this real?????
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Jackson
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How old are you? It doesnt matter what you've read or what you think you know. Experience is the key to everything in life, if you've been down one road before you'll know what to expect. And it seems that if you wish to be so selfish towards this hobby then you dont have much experience.
Why am i trying to get my point across to you anyways, its not like you'll get a live mantis of this species.
nickyp0
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jackson makes a good point,. ............... may be in 5 or 6 years they will be sold to every one,. but i will say this once the "bugs" are worked out lol i made a funnie lol then the less experenced ones can get a shot at it. there is one saying thu you can't say, you hate it unless you have done it. and that goes with out saying. If they are for sale i know a few people that can help work the kinks out.
ok if thats what you think i have 3 generation of Mantis so i have some experience in the matter the thing i dont like is how unsuppuortive you are but thats ok i thought i would get some support im wrong sorry .......i get no love..
Hi again.
Interesting to follow this discussion. I remember some other thread dealing with Toxodera where I said some similar things causing some unfriendly reactions... :roll:
However, there is a point which has to be discussed: CAMantis said
Please do not understand this as a assault again, just think about it.
Regards,
Christian
Interesting to follow this discussion. I remember some other thread dealing with Toxodera where I said some similar things causing some unfriendly reactions... :roll:
However, there is a point which has to be discussed: CAMantis said
Although it's a little bit tricky for me as a German to figure out the slang, I think I've understood it. Now, you're wrong: Metallyticus (known from India to the Great Sundas), as well as the South American Mantoida and Cheteessa, may be phylogenetically primitive compared to other mantids. That does not mean that they are ecologically primitive. There is an old report which observed Metallyticus to feed exclusively on cockroaches. However, noone knows yet whether it is true or not. If this should turn out to be true, this means that they are specialists rather than generalists and this means they cause more problems than other mantids. In fact, most more primitive mantids are to some extent specialised, particularly regarding food. E.g., that's why most of those do not well in early stages when fed exclusively with fruit flies. Those seem to be mostly ant specialists which have to be fed on Thermobium, and still some of those do not make it. This applies to most ground and bark dwellers from the families Amorphoscelididae, Eremiaphilidae, Thespidae, Liturgusidae and Tarachodidae, all families which are currently placed basally to Mantidae, out of which most species are bred. Mantidae are typical ambush generalists which do not cause severe feeding problems. Now this was just about food, climatic and microhabitat problems add to this. Do you still think three generations of some member of Mantidae will qualify any one as capable to deal with every species?
Please do not understand this as a assault again, just think about it.
Regards,
Christian
Thats not the point and you shouldn't feel harmed.
There are many setbacks in introducing new species: they have REALLY MANY kinds of parasites, so your effords must be not only to keep alive new guests but to secure your other mantids from being infected. The other thing is to have much experience in observation of reactions to temperature and humidity of new mantids. You cannot find caresheets anywhere, you must CREATE them and must do it right.
And no matter whether you bred mantids before or not.
Here is an abstract from the best polish breeder, who introduced the most new mantids to our polish market: (my translation)
'Among insects I found in Asia were speciments filled with nematods, covered with Acari and mold. Not mentnioning about oothecas filled with parasite flyes... only one mantis like that in transport and you're toast.
That's why for common sense we must first give a close look to captured mantids, choose the best specimens to breed and then offer to trade'
[Mantid, www.terrarium.com.pl\forum]
And some example (aybe not mantids but...)
http://terrarium.com.pl/forum/viewtopic.php?t=67131
There are many setbacks in introducing new species: they have REALLY MANY kinds of parasites, so your effords must be not only to keep alive new guests but to secure your other mantids from being infected. The other thing is to have much experience in observation of reactions to temperature and humidity of new mantids. You cannot find caresheets anywhere, you must CREATE them and must do it right.
And no matter whether you bred mantids before or not.
Here is an abstract from the best polish breeder, who introduced the most new mantids to our polish market: (my translation)
'Among insects I found in Asia were speciments filled with nematods, covered with Acari and mold. Not mentnioning about oothecas filled with parasite flyes... only one mantis like that in transport and you're toast.
That's why for common sense we must first give a close look to captured mantids, choose the best specimens to breed and then offer to trade'
[Mantid, www.terrarium.com.pl\forum]
And some example (aybe not mantids but...)
http://terrarium.com.pl/forum/viewtopic.php?t=67131
Hi.
Parasites are not a real problem if you keep every of your mantids in separate containers. This is an universal problem not different from the introducing of a new species of, say, Hierodula. Most endoparasites cannot infest other species directly, as they need a vector, usually another insect. Some, like horsehair worms, have an aquatic phase. So they might be harmful for the infected mantis, but not at all for others. Ectoparasites as mites may be avoided by cleaning the mantids and keeping them in own containers.
Ootheca parasites usually do not kill all the eggs and hatch mostly before the mantids. Again, nothing which cannot be taken care of by a close looking.
The problems of which was speaking of start after all these problems are solved...
Really dangerous, though, are viral or bacterial infections. A quarantene time is the only possibility to avoid them to spread over the other stock, but this applies to every wild-caught animal.
Regards,
Christian
Parasites are not a real problem if you keep every of your mantids in separate containers. This is an universal problem not different from the introducing of a new species of, say, Hierodula. Most endoparasites cannot infest other species directly, as they need a vector, usually another insect. Some, like horsehair worms, have an aquatic phase. So they might be harmful for the infected mantis, but not at all for others. Ectoparasites as mites may be avoided by cleaning the mantids and keeping them in own containers.
Ootheca parasites usually do not kill all the eggs and hatch mostly before the mantids. Again, nothing which cannot be taken care of by a close looking.
The problems of which was speaking of start after all these problems are solved...
Really dangerous, though, are viral or bacterial infections. A quarantene time is the only possibility to avoid them to spread over the other stock, but this applies to every wild-caught animal.
Regards,
Christian
ibanez_freak
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YeaH, what mike said!
I see from this post that this mantis is very rare in captivity but is it also very rare in it's own environment? Or is there other reasons like being hard to look after that it isn't kept in captivity?
This is totally just out of interest.
Since that's what I kinda like about mantis in the first place, is that they are fairly easy to keep :lol:
Cheers, Cameron.
I see from this post that this mantis is very rare in captivity but is it also very rare in it's own environment? Or is there other reasons like being hard to look after that it isn't kept in captivity?
This is totally just out of interest.
Since that's what I kinda like about mantis in the first place, is that they are fairly easy to keep :lol:
Cheers, Cameron.
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