M. religiosa diapause/breeding 2009 season

[ismart]

That doesn't sound too promising...especially the deformed ooth part. So far, for me, the deformed ones only came from unmated "egg purging". But assuming that some of the earliest ones are at least 3+ months old...that's not a good sign.Which leads me to one suspicion about M. religiosa...is that they are not very tolerant of inbreeding. Just a suspicion, but I thought I'd throw it out there.

I decieded to cut open a few of the ooths and see what is going on. It would appear that some of them are infertile. I did whitness mating, but i guess the males did not get the job done, or the females rejected there sperm. I would have hoped to at least get one good hatch out of all those ooths. Now i just need to try and figure out what i did wrong?

 

[kamakiri]

Now i just need to try and figure out what i did wrong?

If I remember correctly, you were working only with one ooth. If my suspicion about inbreeding is correct, then it could explain what happened so far.

Too bad Luke isn't around any more... it would be nice to try again.

 

[MantidLord]

I'm sorry to hear that. I pray inbreeding is not the case becasue my female was found a couple feet away from the male she eventually mated with when they were both subadults (so obvioulsy one of them didnt fly there). And I put the ooth in the fridge. I'm still debating how long to leave them in just because I don't know if I should stimulate winter or try to hatch them asap. Another thing Ismart, what is Mantis religiosa siedleckii? is that a subspecies? I remember the discussion but I forget whether or not the masses reached a conclusion to the classification of subspecies with Mantis religiosa.

 

[ismart]

I'm sorry to hear that. I pray inbreeding is not the case becasue my female was found a couple feet away from the male she eventually mated with when they were both subadults (so obvioulsy one of them didnt fly there). And I put the ooth in the fridge. I'm still debating how long to leave them in just because I don't know if I should stimulate winter or try to hatch them asap. Another thing Ismart, what is Mantis religiosa siedleckii? is that a subspecies? I remember the discussion but I forget whether or not the masses reached a conclusion to the classification of subspecies with Mantis religiosa.

Imbreeding should not be a problem for any species of mantis. I would doubt inbreedig that has anything to do with my failure. You should keep that ooth in the fridge for at least two months before you try and hatch it. Do not try and hatch that ooth without a diapause. I have tried that before with only a few weak nymphs hatching out, or nothing at all.

[Mantis religiosa siedleckii/i] is a sub-species from taiwan. They require no diapause to hatch properly.

I believe there are a buch of different sub-species of Mantis religiosa in the world. I remember seeing a list some where with all the different sub-species names. I cant remember the names off the top of my head though.

 

[PhilinYuma]

I'm sorry to hear that. I pray inbreeding is not the case becasue my female was found a couple feet away from the male she eventually mated with when they were both subadults (so obvioulsy one of them didnt fly there). And I put the ooth in the fridge. I'm still debating how long to leave them in just because I don't know if I should stimulate winter or try to hatch them asap. Another thing Ismart, what is Mantis religiosa siedleckii? is that a subspecies? I remember the discussion but I forget whether or not the masses reached a conclusion to the classification of subspecies with Mantis religiosa.

I think that this is the thread you want: http://mantidforum.net/forums/index.php?sh...12244&st=60 Christian gave the subspecies including siedleckii on post #73. I can understand why you would be unclear about the outcome!

 

[ismart]

I think that this is the thread you want: http://mantidforum.net/forums/index.php?sh...12244&st=60 Christian gave the subspecies including siedleckii on post #73. I can understand why you would be unclear about the outcome!

Thanks phil! That was the list i was talking about.

 

[MantidLord]

Two months it is. Thanks for the information Ismart and thanks for the link Phil.

 

[sbugir]

My religiosa laid an ooth about a week ago, how long should i wait before i put it into diapause, and how should i put it into diapause. Its about 80 degrees here so I cant leave it outside without frying in the container lol.