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lectricblueyes

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Do mantids sometimes get diarrhea? I've found a dark brown liquid in the mantid cups on at least 2 of my species. I've never seen where it comes from though I can only imagine it's out of their butts :p It smells like heck too....

 
It could be upchuck. How are the mantids doing? Do you feed them huge amounts and then wait for a day or two before the next feeding?
This particular mantid is a Giant Shield... he/she just molted and only a day later... ate a cricket. I had another one molt a day later... 2 days and he/she still has not eaten. The liquid is brown, it's on the lid and on the side of the cup. I didn't see where it came from.

I don't have an exact schedule for feeding. I feed my whole collection every 3 days and every 6 days I completely clean out their cups.

I feed my crickets cat food and oranges. Crickets are not sick or dying and the LOVE the cat food pellets. You should see them drag those pellets away into the corners.. or play tug-o-war with the pellets. Pretty funny stuff.

What do you think Phil? Need a picture?

 
This particular mantid is a Giant Shield... he/she just molted and only a day later... ate a cricket. I had another one molt a day later... 2 days and he/she still has not eaten. The liquid is brown, it's on the lid and on the side of the cup. I didn't see where it came from.I don't have an exact schedule for feeding. I feed my whole collection every 3 days and every 6 days I completely clean out their cups.

I feed my crickets cat food and oranges. Crickets are not sick or dying and the LOVE the cat food pellets. You should see them drag those pellets away into the corners.. or play tug-o-war with the pellets. Pretty funny stuff.

What do you think Phil? Need a picture?
Nah, you gave a good description, and my double sawbuck says upchuck. When an animal throws up, it gets rid of potential toxins, just like we (not me, you), when we throw up after taking too much booze. It seems to be more commonly associated with crickets than with flies, but I don't know for sure. I shall be distracted for a couple of days, so perhaps you could set up a poll so that people can relate their experience with feeding flies and crix and report whether vomiting seems to be associated more with one prey or the other.

 
Sounds like vomit. I had avery healthy GSE that would vomit from time to time. I would give her a little honey and H2O and she would be fine. I only feed her flies.

 
I've had the brownish/dark red stains of the sides/top of my enclosures too. Never have caught them actually doing it, so I didn't know if it was vomit or what. Some of them seem to be just fine despite whatever it is. I've had others die after I noticed it. The ones that died seemed to be pretty old though when it happened.

 
I've seen it. Kinda looks like they're wiping their mouths on a given surface. Mine looked purpleish brown.

 
Most of the time that is vomit. Pretty normal. If it continues or gets worse change the food.

 
Just as an FYI.

This mantid eventually died despite my attempts to revive him. Here is a brief history of the event:

1. Molted

2. Would not eat for 5 days

3. Ate a cricket

4. Vomit

5. Would not eat

6. Abdoman becomes flabby... soft... mushy.. still alive.

7. Non-reactive, still not eating.

8. Would eat honey and water, but nearly had to force him to eat.

9. Dead

 
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Just as an FYI. This mantid eventually died despite my attempts to revive him. Here is a brief history of the event:

1. Molted

2. Would not eat for 5 days

3. Ate a cricket

4. Vomit

5. Would not eat

6. Abdoman becomes flabby... soft... mushy.. still alive.

6. Non-reactive, still not eating.

7. Would eat honey and water, but nearly had to force him to eat.

8. Dead
From your description, Dave, it sounds as though he died of something.

BTW, shouldn't he have died at #9?

 
Just as an FYI. This mantid eventually died despite my attempts to revive him. Here is a brief history of the event:

1. Molted

2. Would not eat for 5 days

3. Ate a cricket

4. Vomit

5. Would not eat

6. Abdoman becomes flabby... soft... mushy.. still alive.

6. Non-reactive, still not eating.

7. Would eat honey and water, but nearly had to force him to eat.

8. Dead
from your description it was probably the cricket, i would try spreading out the diet a bit and adding flies and moths and such

 
from your description it was probably the cricket, i would try spreading out the diet a bit and adding flies and moths and such
I'm working on this. I've just gotten house flies added to the diet. Also, I need to diversify the cricket's food and I've recently changed how I've kept my crickets. I also suspect it was the cricket who had something. I've lost many, many crickets recently to some kind of illness. Could be transferable into my mantids. New habitat, new food, and a whole new batch of crickets and they are all alive and my mantids seem to be doing very well now.

 
from your description it was probably the cricket, i would try spreading out the diet a bit and adding flies and moths and such
It may have sounded as though I were joking, worldofmantis, but I was making a serious point designed specifically to forestall a post like yours. :D At best, yours is a classic post hoc argument (" it died after eating a cricket, therefore its death was caused by eating a cricket"). If it had died after eating a fly, would you then have blamed the fly? Most of my mantids' unaccountable deaths occur after the victim has eaten a fly, because that is what I mostly feed them, hardly a good argument for "death by fly." Since it is safe to assume that "lectric's other mantids survived after eating mantids from the same batch (true Dave?) this one would have had to carry some unknown, unidentified, lethal disease that no one knows about. Substitute "magical spell" for "disease" and you get exactly the same result. How does that help? At worst, your argument will discourage new members from feeding crix, an excellent and easily obtainable form of food, and restart the "pro vs anti cricket wars" :rolleyes:

 
It may have sounded as though I were joking, worldofmantis, but I was making a serious point designed specifically to forestall a post like yours. :D At best, yours is a classic post hoc argument (" it died after eating a cricket, therefore its death was caused by eating a cricket"). If it had died after eating a fly, would you then have blamed the fly? Most of my mantids' unaccountable deaths occur after the victim has eaten a fly, because that is what I mostly feed them, hardly a good argument for "death by fly." Since it is safe to assume that "lectric's other mantids survived after eating mantids from the same batch (true Dave?) this one would have had to carry some unknown, unidentified, lethal disease that no one knows about. Substitute "magical spell" for "disease" and you get exactly the same result. How does that help? At worst, your argument will discourage new members from feeding crix, an excellent and easily obtainable form of food, and restart the "pro vs anti cricket wars" :rolleyes:
yah you have a good point, the truth is we dont know and can only guess and see if what we do works, itd be helpful if we knew more about mantids and their illnesses. and yes if i had thrown up and died after eating a fly i would have blamed the fly because it vomited, wich points me to the food, its not the species of insect that you feed them but the diseases the insect has. It either got a disease from the food and died or it had a previous disease that makes it throw up regardless of the food... now if the mantid would have dropped dead without vomiting i wouldnt have sudgested the cricket

 
also just because the other mantids ate from the same cricket batch does not mean all of the crickets had the same disease, now had all of the other mantids eaten the same cricket it would be a good point

 
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