Mantid Hybrids???

[kamakiri]

I don't normally stare at mantid genitalia for to long periods of time to see if there are any significant differences :lol: .

:lol: :lol: :lol: Are you sure?

But back on topic...hybridization doesn't seem to be a significant advantage in much of the insect world. Generally speaking, inbreeding seems to have had a much greater effect on modern insects.

 

[chun]

Why would the reproductive organs be different. In most species they look the same. I can't imagine that would be different between these two. Every now and then I find wild mantids that are smaller than the norm so maybe this male was.

insect sexual organs are often species specific to prevent interspecific (between species) mating when two species overlap in their distribution and habitat.

 

[ismart]

:lol: :lol: :lol: Are you sure?

My secret is out! You got me :lol: :lol: :lol:

 

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[SIZE=14pt]Just a thought well with hisser's the different species can and do cross breed.[/SIZE]

 

[Rick]

insect sexual organs are often species specific to prevent interspecific (between species) mating when two species overlap in their distribution and habitat.

Mantid sex organs look exactly the same on most species.

 

[chun]

Mantid sex organs look exactly the same on most species.

insect reproductive organs can act as interspecific premating barriers. You can't assume that they look the same without dissecting the organs and assessing it on a microscope. Genetalia and abdominal segments associated with the reproductive organs (which are hidden internally) are often used to identify hard-to-identify species such as dragonflies and lepidopterans, and i'm sure genetalia plays a role in mantid identification as well.

 

[Rick]

insect reproductive organs can act as interspecific premating barriers. You can't assume that they look the same without dissecting the organs and assessing it on a microscope. Genetalia and abdominal segments associated with the reproductive organs (which are hidden internally) are often used to identify hard-to-identify species such as dragonflies and lepidopterans, and i'm sure genetalia plays a role in mantid identification as well.

Obviously you have more knowledge in this aspect than I do as I am the first to admit I am not expert. I did have a chinese and a giant asian connect as normal.

 

[ismart]

Out of curiosity, i have reed some people managed to cross breed Stagmomantis carolina with Stagmomantis limbata. In whitch order were they breed (meaning S. carolina male with S. limbata female or vise versa) to have a connection? Has anybody on this forum done this before? I have currently a male S. limbata, and a female S. carolina. I have already paired them up twice with no connection taking place. I plan on trying again later today, and yes they are both sexually ready. The male S. limbata has already successfully mated with a S. limbata female.

 

[Rick]

Out of curiosity, i have reed some people managed to cross breed Stagmomantis carolina with Stagmomantis limbata. In whitch order were they breed (meaning S. carolina male with S. limbata female or vise versa) to have a connection? Has anybody on this forum done this before? I have currently a male S. limbata, and a female S. carolina. I have already paired them up twice with no connection taking place. I plan on trying again later today, and yes they are both sexually ready. The male S. limbata has already successfully mated with a S. limbata female.

They should be able to. They are essentially the same thing. Whether it or not the ooths will be fertile I don't know.

 

[kamakiri]

I have currently a male S. limbata, and a female S. carolina.

I think Doug has the same 'combo'. Too bad it's not the opposite!

 

[ismart]

I think Doug has the same 'combo'. Too bad it's not the opposite!

I do have an adult carolina male, but my only adult female limbata has been mated by a limbata male already.

 

[d17oug18]

i think the females i have are carolina's but someone mentioned it could be californica(never heard of it) it looks like a limbata but the wings are black with brown edges, if you want i can try to mate them, though it may kill my male as he has mated twice already.

 

[Rick]

i think the females i have are carolina's but someone mentioned it could be californica(never heard of it) it looks like a limbata but the wings are black with brown edges, if you want i can try to mate them, though it may kill my male as he has mated twice already.

It won't kill him. He can mate many more times than that. Only thing that will kill him is old age or the female eating him.

 

[kmsgameboy]

Wow....Im learning a lot!

 

[d17oug18]

just thought sense i saw this thread again that i mated the carolina and limbata, all it is now is a waiting game now. the male is getting tons of tail lol 3rd mate so far and still alive.

 

[PhilinYuma]

See post #8 here: http://mantidforum.net/forums/index.php?sh...c=13157&hl= I strongly agree with the secod para.

A major reason for the males' failure to fertilize the female of another species is that each species tends to have different shaped genitalia, causing the male to do an "Onan." So distinct are they, that in some orders, like the Odonata, they are used to identify a species.

Edit: Just in case someone is not familiar with Onan, see Genesis 38.8.

 

[kmsgameboy]

See post #8 here: http://mantidforum.net/forums/index.php?sh...c=13157&hl= I strongly agree with the secod para.A major reason for the males' failure to fertilize the female of another species is that each species tends to have different shaped genitalia, causing the male to do an "Onan." So distinct are they, that in some orders, like the Odonata, they are used to identify a species.

Edit: Just in case someone is not familiar with Onan, see Genesis 38.8.

LOL

 

[utterbeastage]

Obviously you have more knowledge in this aspect than I do as I am the first to admit I am not expert. I did have a chinese and a giant asian connect as normal.

All seriousness aside , Imagine cross-breeding and getting...

HYMENOPUS DIABOLICA!

 

[massaman]

Also it would be inhumanely impossible to cross a giant mantis with a smaller mantis hence the size difference of the insects and their reproductive organs and there would be no way to do it with those with a huge size difference!