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It is true. Here is what I've seen for S. carolina females:

Green specimens tend to have yellow underwings. Sometimes just a really light green.

Light grey and brown specimens tend to have grey underwings.

Some REALLY dark grey and brown specimens can have black underwings.

Just what I've seen.

 
It is true. Here is what I've seen for S. carolina females:

Green specimens tend to have yellow underwings. Sometimes just a really light green.

Light grey and brown specimens tend to have grey underwings.

Some REALLY dark grey and brown specimens can have black underwings.

Just what I've seen.
I have had pretty much the same experience with Stagmomantis carolina.

Within a brood that all came from the same ootheca, I have had lighter colored females with clear and yellow and sometimes orange veined underwings. Darker females have had hindwing colors that varied from black with yellow and orange in them, to greyish transparent with the yellow lines.

 
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I agree Ntsees which is why I was so confused. On the comparison picture it has one specimen with dark underwings and orange while the other is yellow and black. I'm used to Iris oratoria having that purpple spot and everything regardless if the mantis is tan, brown, or green. And with M. religiosa, they're always clear. I wasn't aware underwing color varies within species of different color morphs.
You are in the same position as I am. I'm sure we'll find the answer in this forum...and we now do (or at least for me).

Thanks likebugs and Ryan Minard. There is now enough evidence for me to be convinced. The information (for the Carolina mantid) you both have provided will now be hard-wired into my mind (until proven otherwise). Now, I'll wait for those who have experience on our other US native - the limbata. :)

 
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I wish I had some S. limbata!!! :gun_bandana:
I'm thinking I'm going to have to do this myself. Although there are no limbata in my immediate area, I've captured and seen them a little further up north from where I'm at. Because I have my hands on Iris oratoria, I don't have the space and extra time to fully analyze the limbatas. Anyway, we will soon discover the mystery of this species.

 
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THE AMBUSH BUG! I had seen several of these guys in a meadow, which led to a false alarm of "finding a mantis". I have seen their raptoral claws, so how similar are they to the mantis?

 
Likebugs and Ryan, thanks a lot for the useful information, it truly does help clarify some things.

Ntsees, I forgot where exactly in Norcal Fresno is, but I do know my cousin who lives in Vacaville always finds S. limbata specimens in the late spring and during the summer. Where I'm from, Vallejo, I only find M. religiosa (years ago we used to find T. sinensis but they vanished). I also know M. religiosa occurs in Vacaville too. But the point is, that's the only place I've seen S. limbata and unfortunately it's always been one female found for me.

On a side note, it's interesting that I. oratoria occurs in Northern California. I know they can be found in Sacramento and as you said, Fresno, but when I brought my specimens from Nevada to Vallejo, it seemed to have had an affect on their development. The periods between molts greatly increased and they started dying off randomly. This isn't the first time I've experienced this with this species when taking them to the Bay Area, which has me wondering. I actually miss I. oratoria, now that I'm not in Nevada, their's no hope for me in going to find some and I don't know how they'll fare in this humidity and environment here.

tenoderaterror, They're not too similar to mantids, they're less active. Only thing they have in common are the claws, being generalist predators, and having incomplete metamorphosis Really what they do is sit on top of a plant (for me it was always goldenrod) and wait for something to land and they grab it. They're strike is pretty fast but unlike a mantid's, they don't rely on their claws to actually subdue the prey, they ingest the digestive enzymes and that ends the struggle fast. They're super easy to mate, I put males in with females and they literally just crawled onto the females with no problem at all. Not to mention I've found numerous mating pairs in the wild.

 

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