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We are nation building in Afghanistan, not really warring.
Tell that to all the people killed in drone attacks. Tell that to the people pulled from their homes during the night by our troops kicking down their doors. Tell that to the innocent people shot up by Blackwater (Xi) for fun.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8jLO2e2Uozg

So do you think the people would be dumb enough to attack as an armed mod to present an easy target? Or would they safeguard their own families and property? That's why our military has such a hard time in the middle east. They aren't fighting against an army. They're fighting against everyday people protecting the little they have in this world.

As for the rest of your comment I suggest you tape a white flag to your forehead and practice licking boots. :D

 
This was a post that was needed, we all need to see more than what the news shows up, as someone said in above post, "we only see what they want us to see". Malakyoma, I never told you or anyone that they needed to believe in God , you said that, not I . And while I am on the subject of I you wrote my name with a capital, and weather you like it or not, God is to me a person, and as such His name is God, so I would appreaciate it if you would also use capitals when writing it to me. thanks and no offence ment. I do not get into these discussions, I just posted something I saw that I thought was interesting from someone who lost a child that way.

 
I do not want to come across to strong on this one so bare with me :D

I do not understand why people worship documents. Whether it be the constitution or the bible the are just pieces of writing that guide thoughts and ideas. They are not the supreme rules of the universe they are just ways of thought.

It is naive to worship them for the simple reason that they were written down. Because of this they never change. Unlike ideas which are constantly growing and changing. When something does not change it becomes out of date. A perfect example of this is the second amendment.

The trouble with the second amendment is our founding fathers would have never predicted the devastating weapons there sons and daughters would create 300 years the future. The second amendment needs to be updated to face the weapons of today, not the weapons of the eighteenth century. We need to be progressive with our laws not regressive or complacent. If that means taking away some of our prior freedoms so be it.

 
I do not want to come across to strong on this one so bare with me :D

I do not understand why people worship documents. Whether it be the constitution or the bible the are just pieces of writing that guide thoughts and ideas. They are not the supreme rules of the universe they are just ways of thought.

It is naive to worship them for the simple reason that they were written down. Because of this they never change. Unlike ideas which are constantly growing and changing. When something does not change it becomes out of date. A perfect example of this is the second amendment.

The trouble with the second amendment is our founding fathers would have never predicted the devastating weapons there sons and daughters would create 300 years the future. The second amendment needs to be updated to face the weapons of today, not the weapons of the eighteenth century. We need to be progressive with our laws not regressive or complacent. If that means taking away some of our prior freedoms so be it.
To say anybody worships the Constitution is an insult. And to say it's just a piece of paper puts you on the intellectual level of George W. Bush. Take that piece of paper away and you have no rights. Then you get stepped on with impunity. It's might against might and you are the little guy. The fact that you so easily dismiss it suggests you know nothing about history. And that is a big problem with where we are headed. Education keeps people ignorant of the important things and this is a prime example. Then you have FEMA giving lectures calling the Founding Fathers Terrorists and just nod.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZPg9MdN9Gio

 
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To say anybody worships the Constitution is an insult. And to say it's just a piece of paper puts you on the intellectual level of George W. Bush. Take that piece of paper away and you have no rights. Then you get stepped on with impunity. It's might against might and you are the little guy. The fact that you so easily dismiss it suggests you know nothing about history. And that is a big problem with where we are headed. Education keeps people ignorant of the important things and this is a prime example. Then you have FEMA giving lectures calling the Founding Fathers Terrorists and just nod.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZPg9MdN9Gio[/media]
Please I am not an *****.

And never talk down to education like that. You should be ashamed. Education is the driving force of the human race. Without knowledge we are nothing. Without education we have no knowledge.

 
Please I am not an *****.

And never talk down to education like that. You should be ashamed. Education is the driving force of the human race. Without knowledge we are nothing. Without education we have no knowledge.
I didn't say you were an *****. :shifty: I said you have opinions in common with GW. That's a fact, not an accusation. You used nearly the exact words.

Don't confuse knowledge with education. Knowledge is something you can find for yourself, for the most part. And it seems the really important knowledge, other than technical, are no longer taught. If they do they are so watered down and twisted by agendas they are worthless.

Modern education is GARBAGE. The college system is a scam to start people's lives off drowning in debt unless they come from a rich family. At least 60%of college grads can't find work in their field of study. And 40% of college grads end up taking jobs that don't require a degree. That's what modern education is worth.

Lots of people have seen the system for what it is, dropped out and done very well for themselves - Einstein and Tesla to name two of my heroes.

http://www.businessinsider.com/john-carney-ten-people-who-make-dropping-out-of-college-look-weirdly-smart-2009-9?op=1

 
I didn't say you were an *****. :shifty: I said you have opinions in common with GW. That's a fact, not an accusation. You used nearly the exact words.

Don't confuse knowledge with education. Knowledge is something you can find for yourself, for the most part. And it seems the really important knowledge, other than technical, are no longer taught. If they do they are so watered down and twisted by agendas they are worthless.

Modern education is GARBAGE. The college system is a scam to start people's lives off drowning in debt unless they come from a rich family. At least 60%of college grads can't find work in their field of study. And 40% of college grads end up taking jobs that don't require a degree. That's what modern education is worth.

Lots of people have seen the system for what it is, dropped out and done very well for themselves - Einstein and Tesla to name two of my heroes.

http://www.businessinsider.com/john-carney-ten-people-who-make-dropping-out-of-college-look-weirdly-smart-2009-9?op=1
You named two brilliant people. It worked for them but for the thousands of other kids who drop out every year it does not work. They go into a life of crime or the like.

I will restate again education is one of the best things of the modern world.

And lastly do not confuse my opinions with those of George Bush.

 
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Here's what Mahatma Gandhi had to say about gun control...

Among the many misdeeds of the British rule in India, history will look upon the Act depriving a whole nation of arms, as the blackest … if we want to learn the use of arms, here is a golden opportunity.
http://books.google.com/books?id=rN...nation of arms, as the blackest."&f=false

An Autobiography
http://books.google.com/books?id=rN...nation of arms, as the blackest."&f=false (page 446
http://books.google.com/books?id=rN...nation of arms, as the blackest."&f=false)
He who cannot protect himself or his nearest and dearest or their honour by non-violently facing death may and ought to do so by violently dealing with the oppressor. He who can do neither of the two is a burden. He has no business to be the head of a family. He must either hide himself, or must rest content to live for ever in helplessness and be prepared to crawl like a worm at the
http://www.washingtonsblog.com/#bidding
http://www.washingtonsblog.com/#of a bully …
[When violence] is offered in self-defence or for the defence of the defenceless, it is an act of bravery far better than cowardly submission.
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A man who, when faced by danger, behaves like a mouse, is rightly called a coward.
Not knowing the stuff of which nonviolence is made, many have honestly believed that running away from danger every time was a virtue compared to offering resistance, especially when it was fraught with danger to one’s life. As a teacher of
http://www.naturalnews.com/nonviolence.htmlnonviolence
http://www.naturalnews.com/nonviolence.htmlI must, so far as it is possible for me, guard against such an unmanly belief.
Self-defence … is the only honourable course where there is unreadiness for self-immolation.
http://www.mkgandhi.org/nonviolence/phil8.htm

Between Cowardice And Violence
http://www.mkgandhi.org/nonviolence/phil8.htm
I do believe that where there is only a choice between cowardice and violence I would advise violence.

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When my eldest son asked me what he should have done, had he been present when I was almost fatally assaulted in 1908, whether he should have run away and seen me killed or whether he should have used his physical force which he could and wanted to use, and defended me, I told him that it was his duty to defend me even by using violence.

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Hence also do I advocate training in arms for those who believe in the method of violence. I would rather have India resort to arms in order to defend her honor than that she should in a cowardly manner become or remain a helpless witness to her own dishonor.

Doctrine of the Sword

If someone has a gun and is trying to kill you, it would be reasonable to shoot back with your own gun. Not at the head, where a fatal wound might result. But at some other body part, such as a leg.
http://community.seattletimes.nwsource.com/archive/?date=20010515&slug=dalai15m0

Seattle Times, May 15, 2001
http://community.seattletimes.nwsource.com/archive/?date=20010515&slug=dalai15m0
Here's what the Founding Fathers had to say...

Laws that forbid the carrying of arms, disarm only those who are neither inclined, nor determined to commit crimes. Such laws make things worse for the assaulted and better for the assailants. They serve rather to encourage than to prevent homicides, for an unarmed man may be attacked with greater confidence than an armed man.
– Thomas Jefferson, 1764

What country can preserve its liberties if their rulers are not warned from time to time that their people preserve the spirit of resistance. Let them take arms.
– Thomas Jefferson

Those who beat their swords into plowshares usually end up plowing for those who didn’t.
– Ben Franklin

Arms discourage and keep the invader and plunderer in awe, and preserve order in the world as well as property… Horrid mischief would ensue were the law-abiding deprived of the use of them.
–Thomas Paine

A free people ought not only to be armed and disciplined, but they should have sufficient arms and ammunition to maintain a status of independence from any who might attempt to abuse them, which would include their own government.
– George Washington

Guard with jealous attention the public liberty. Suspect everyone who approaches that jewel. Unfortunately, nothing will preserve it but downright force. Whenever you give up that force, you are ruined…The great object is that every man be armed. Everyone who is able might have a gun.
–Patrick Henry.

Are we at last brought to such an humiliating and debasing degradation that we cannot be trusted with arms for our own defense? Where is the difference between having our arms under our own possession and under our own direction, and having them under the management of Congress? If our defense be the real object of having those arms, in whose hands can they be trusted with more propriety, or equal safety to us, as in our own hands?
– Patrick Henry, 3 Elliot, Debates at 386.

The Constitution shall never be construed to authorize Congress to prevent the people of the United States, who are peaceable citizens, from keeping their own arms.
–Samuel Adams, debates & Proceedings in the Convention of the Commonwealth of Massachusetts, 86-87.

The right of the people to keep and bear…arms shall not be infringed. A well regulated militia, composed of the people, trained to arms, is the best and most natural defense of a free country…
–James Madison, I Annals of Congress 434 (June 8, 1789).

(The Constitution preserves) the advantage of being armed which Americans possess over the people of almost every other nation…(where) the governments are afraid to trust the people with arms.
–James Madison.

If the representatives of the people betray their constituents, there is then no recourse left but in the exertion of that original right of self defense which is paramount to all positive forms of government…
– Alexander Hamilton, The Federalist (#28) .

The best we can hope for concerning the people at large is that they be properly armed.
–Alexander Hamilton, The Federalist Papers at 184-B.

To disarm the people is the best and most effective way to enslave them.
– George Mason

The supreme power in America cannot enforce unjust laws by the sword; because the whole body of the people are armed, and constitute a force superior to any bands of regular troops that can be, on any pretense, raised in the United States.
–Noah Webster, “An Examination into the Leading Principles of the Federal Constitution (1787) in Pamplets on the Constitution of

the United States (P.Ford, 1888)

 
And lastly do not confuse my opinions with those of George Bush.
There is no confusion. On this subject you are of the same opinion.

Now excuse me while I go clear some brush...

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fleurdejoo said:
It worked for them but for the thousands of other kids who drop out every year it does not work. They go into a life of crime or the like.

Just because you drop out does not mean you "go into a life of crime or the like."

That is making me giggle. Do you seriously think that everyone who dropped out of high school or college is a criminal???

I own my own business and I dropped out of the University of the Arts in Philly.

Most of the 16 year olds on here are smarter then me BUT can they give a perm?!?!?!

So I got that goin' for me.
 

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