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Mcgonigal32

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Hello,

I am new to the hobby and was quickly attracted to the orchid and spiny flower mantids because of their beauty. I have a basic idea on care needs but would love some pointers on how to help them live a long healthy life. Looking for specific info on ways to monitor humidity and temp, best food choices as I've read that pet store and wild insects could be "dirty" and life threatening to your mantis. Thanks for any tips!

 
Welcome.

Not sure what you mean about pet store and wild mantids being dirty and life threatening but most of us buy our feeders online from reputable sources. There is nothing wrong with feeding wild caught insects as long as you can be reasonably sure they have not been exposed to pesticides. I live in town and feed many wild caught insects and have never had an issue. You may want to avoid noxious insects, bees, etc.

 
Hello and welcome to the forum and hobby
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I assume you are referring to wild caught feeder insects being "dirty". If that is the case, it is likely stated that way due to possible pesticides some may have consumed or from a possible food source (such as silverfish and firebrats eating paint). It can happen but is very unlikely, as many keepers have caught insects for feeders for years without issue.

In regards to pet stores, yes some keep feeders in less than ideal conditions (dirty tanks full of other dead feeders or low food forcing some to cannibalism (as they will eat their dead (such as crickets)). That is remedied rather easy, however, by feeding the feeder insects for 2 days or so in a clean habitat and good food to thoroughly flush their system once you buy them.

For temperature and humidity you will have to know what species you have/will keep as some have special needs. Refer to the dedicated caresheets for specs of many species. As some may require a heat source (heating mat, light, etc.) while most do fine at room temperature. Also depending on where you live, such as cold winters or hot AC summers, you will need a humidifier as the room humidity is likely extremely low and can cause all kinds of problems (a main problem is molting issues).

To make your mantis habitat humidity more stable, a substrate is a good solution and you can use coconut fiber (I use Plantation Soil), sphagnum moss, or even paper towel.

Best way to find your humidity and temperature is to get a dual digital thermometer and hydrometer, or a analog reptile dual thermometer and hydrometer. I have two dual digital ones to ensure a more accurate reading, as some can be way off or vary to a point making it useless. I've had great luck though with the cheap under $10 models found on Amazon.com

Feeder wise mantises can eat many things - starting from baby L1 instar nymphs they eat fruit flies (Melanogaster at first then onto Hydei) or Springtails, as they outgrow Hydei they can eat pinhead crickets or stable flies, then houseflies and blowflies, then as adults they can eat crickets or roaches of proper size. For treats they also like moths, and at all stages pure honey is a great treat.

This is all rather basic, so if you have a particular species, instar size known, or particular questions about some aspect of it all ask more questions; however, if you do a search on this forum you will see there are countless topics to help you already as well. ;)

I hope this helps some.

 
Thanks for the feedback! I have an L2 Spiny Flower on the way as well as an L4 female Orchid.

The dirty feeder comment was in regards to wild or pet store feeders having bacteria or parasites that kill the mantids. I keep reading that a lot and how you should either breed your own feeders to ensure they are getting a proper diet or buy from a reputable breeder.... just trying to get opinions on that because before I read that info I planned on buying flies and worms from my local pet store.

Thanks for the tip on the humidifier. I planned on getting a hygrometer tonight but didn't even think about using a humidifier. I thought the spray bottle would be enough. No heaters purchased yet. I've read about 6 care sheets on the orchid mantis and never saw heater or humidifier mentioned that is why I asked in here because I want to make sure I do everything perfect to ensure she lives as long as possible.

 
Thanks for the feedback! I have an L2 Spiny Flower on the way as well as an L4 female Orchid.

The dirty feeder comment was in regards to wild or pet store feeders having bacteria or parasites that kill the mantids. I keep reading that a lot and how you should either breed your own feeders to ensure they are getting a proper diet or buy from a reputable breeder.... just trying to get opinions on that because before I read that info I planned on buying flies and worms from my local pet store.

Thanks for the tip on the humidifier. I planned on getting a hygrometer tonight but didn't even think about using a humidifier. I thought the spray bottle would be enough. No heaters purchased yet. I've read about 6 care sheets on the orchid mantis and never saw heater or humidifier mentioned that is why I asked in here because I want to make sure I do everything perfect to ensure she lives as long as possible.
Both of those species will want low humidity levels (at least as nymphs) and heat of 77 degrees Fahrenheit or higher. So never mind the humidifier and get a heat mat.

The dedicated caresheets for your spiny flower mantis and orchid mantis seems to be missing some details on the forum. Another great resource is the data from KeepingInsects.com, here is the data for your spiny flower mantis and your orchid mantis - which has the data you need. ;)

Also responded to PM, with more links/details.

 

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