Reproductive Parts

[PhilinYuma]

Just a quick note. After Christian's discussion on the phallomeres, I read up on them as well as I could, and while walking with Sunny and learning of her adventures as a level 80 Blood Elf warlock, I went over the male genitalia of hemimetabolous insects (at least Mantodea, Blattodea and and Orthoptera). I described them by referring to them in the order in which they were used during copulation, and the first one had her laughing her head off, convinced that I was making the name up. Any idea what it is folks? It's not mentioned in any general entomology text that I have ever seen, but you will find it here: http://www.bioone.org/doi/abs/10.1665/1082...ournalCode=orth Enlarge and view figs 16 et seq. You may not find it as funny as Sunny did; I was using my hands to show how everything worked.

 

[kamakiri]

A generalized picture of reproductive organs:

I think it all applies to mantids.

Christian, thanks for the clarification. Always a big help!

And how am I getting credit for starting a thread that I didn't start? Thanks, MantidLord!

 

[MantidLord]

I think it all applies to mantids.Christian, thanks for the clarification. Always a big help!

And how am I getting credit for starting a thread that I didn't start? Thanks, MantidLord!

Nice pic, so is that a generalized image of insects? Or just every organism? And no problem Kamakiri, even though you did contribute the most info to this thread.

 

[PhilinYuma]

A generalized picture of reproductive organs:

Nice, helpful diagrams, Grant, but the University of Minnesota may be in breach of yr copyright!

 

[kamakiri]

Nice pic, so is that a generalized image of insects? Or just every organism? And no problem Kamakiri, even though you did contribute the most info to this thread.

Generalized insect info. And should apply to mantids. I believe the 'accessory gland' in mantises is the ooth foam/protein coating source.

Nice, helpful diagrams, Grant, but the University of Minnesota may be in breach of yr copyright!

Naw. Sharing for educational purposes falls under 'fair use'. Just don't pay me for it and I'll be okay But you're right...I should have cited the source. Arguably, by only linking the picture with the url intact instead of copying...I effectively did cite the source.

 

[PhilinYuma]

Generalized insect info. And should apply to mantids. I believe the 'accessory gland' in mantises is the ooth foam/protein coating source.Naw. Sharing for educational purposes falls under 'fair use'. Just don't pay me for it and I'll be okay But you're right...I should have cited the source. Arguably, by only linking the picture with the url intact instead of copying...I effectively did cite the source.

1) Yes, you're right about the function of the accessory gland in mantids. In lesser critters, it excretes the cement that holds the eggs to their substrate.

2) Ha,ha! I don't usually go tracking down every pic that is posted on the forum, but the one of the internal genitalia had a kind of nostalgic look that wasn't satisfied by the U of MN citation. At least your source was easily traced, even without the URL, but who ever drew those pix appears to have deliberately plagiarized the illustrations in R.E. Snodgrass(1935) Principles of Insect Morphology, McGraw-Hill, New York.

Can you imagine, this book was published before I was born and folks are still copying his illustrations with permission (c.f. Marc J. Klowden (2002) Physiological Systems in Insects, Academic Press, San Diego) or without.

 

[Christian]

Yeah, that's because only few morphological work is done todays. People and money-givers wrongly think that if it was done once it's for good. But today we have new methods and new insights and there is a lot of stuff that has to be re-evaluated.

 

[kamakiri]

For comparison, a 'fully functional' limbata male close-up:

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